ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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OK GUYS,HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
WHICH IS BETTER COOLING FOR THE STREET?WHICH HAS LAGER WATER JACKETS?
DOES WORLD BLOCK HAVE A PROVISION FOR A 1/2 STOCK STYLE OIL SUMP?
I KNOW THAT INDY BLOCK HAS TO BE DRILLED FOR hydraulic LIFTERS,HOW ABOUT THE WORLD?
DO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OILING PASSAGES?WHICH IS BETTER?
ANY INFO WOULD HELP.....
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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12/12/09 06:35 PM
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I purchased the World block. I looked at the Indy block, & made the decision (apart from the World block being cheaper & the people better to deal with) it is meant to have better oiling, especially as it relates to valvetrain, etc. I still to start building the motor at present but it looks like a great block. I know Rich Nedbal on this forum has significant experience with both (MoparRich). I have heard some people on this forum make comments that the block will need cleaning up (line hone, squaring decks, etc), as they are not perfect as you buy them , but I would expect anyone will check/ do this anyway as a matter of course. Be good to hear from others regarding their experiences in the new block tolerances prep etc..? Darren
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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to be honest the street/water aluminium block that "looked" the best, IMO, is the KB block, .. although
I do just not know enough about these or their real strengths/weaknesses OR if you can still get them.
Darren
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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12/12/09 10:14 PM
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Rich, What aspect of the Cometic gasket is a problem? I have not yet fired this engine and did not catch the problem!
Mark
1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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* Block is prepped for an external oil line input to the pump. * 4 main caps (steel) are cross-bolted. * Cylinder sleeves are pre-clearanced for up to a 4.5" stroke.
I just want to make a point that the Indy block also has all these options...\
You dont need clearance on the Indy block t fit a 4.5 stroke crank using a steel 2.2 rod. All 5 mains are cross bolted on the Indy block. It also has the Oil port by the timing chain cover... My Indy block checked out, and needed no extra machine work to run. My World Hemi block needs Line bored/honed to correct poor machine work. There is good and bad in all of them. Either block Im sure will do the job and handle the power no problem. The Indy block is a tad lighter, the World block offers a GM bolt pattern, which would have been a great option with the Indy block, as I ran a Power Glide trans. What ever you do get the block of your choice and have it finished in any number of good machinist, many right here on the board. If i would have run my world block OOTB box it would have ran good for a few passes, very few.
But if your wanting the Best, the KB block hands down...and in the end there are NOT any more money, all said and done.
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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My World Hemi block needs Line bored/honed to correct poor machine work.
My World block needed the lifter bores honed, as they were too tight, and it needed to be line honed as well. All else was good.
Mark
1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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wow,great info guys,i would go kb,but it does not take a stock sump,right?looks like im going world,this is great info i received from you guys,one more thing,i heard if you order the world block from mopar,it has different machining than the people world doing the machining,is this true? here is what its going in....
Last edited by sublimehemi; 12/13/09 02:48 AM.
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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World prices have dropped for some reason . 3495 direct from Bill Mitchell on ebay
From reading the Bill Mitchell (the engine shop) ebay store, he is clearing out some odd part number blocks, not all the blocks.
I saw this wedge block (alum, race): Camshaft Location: raised +.250" Lifter Bores: Std lifter size, Bronze bushings Spread .200"
And this Hemi block (alum, race): Camshaft Location: raised +.250" Lifter Bores: None
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
[Re: sublimehemi]
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wow,great info guys,i would go kb,but it does not take a stock sump,right?looks like im going world,this is great info i received from you guys,one more thing,i heard if you order the world block from mopar,it has different machining than the people world doing the machining,is this true? here is what its going in....
Nice motor mate I'm almost certain the KB block will take a stock sump (i've never tried one). Mine has a S/S milodon sump thats listed for a 440, I'm sure the bolt pattern is stock.
'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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Rich, What aspect of the Cometic gasket is a problem? I have not yet fired this engine and did not catch the problem! Mark
Look at the main water inlets at the top corners. The embossing on the earlier Cometic gaskets misaligned with the water holes so they had trouble sealing.
Also the rivets that hold the gasket together did not protrude enough to get past the block. This may not be a problem depending on the head that's used.
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Re: ALUMINUM HEMI BLOCKS WORLD VS INDY
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Rich, What aspect of the Cometic gasket is a problem? I have not yet fired this engine and did not catch the problem! Mark
Look at the main water inlets at the top corners. The embossing on the earlier Cometic gaskets misaligned with the water holes so they had trouble sealing.
Also the rivets that hold the gasket together did not protrude enough to get past the block. This may not be a problem depending on the head that's used.
I'm gonna notch my block for the rivets
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