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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: jcc]
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12/15/09 12:48 PM
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The fed law says any more than 1000 lbs gross weight of hazmat means you need 4 placards on your truck and a CDL lisense with hazmat endorsements. Plus you need med card, hazmat training, and shipping papers. We sell and ship drums of race fuel and are required to limit 2 drums per truck unless there placarded. 1000 lbs includes the container and product. That's why you only see max 110 gal fuel tanks for the back of pickups.
That guy was wrong if you only had 2 drums. been hazmat shipping since 1984.
I think there are different rules for small (?) amounts and tanker/bulk quantities. Yes 110 gals is one threshold I believe, not weight if a liquid. Any haz mat has a reportable quantity, and they are all different. A big threshold is whether its in the fuel tank of a piece of equipment or not, such as a generator or race car, fuel drums do have definite requirements. They also cannot not be stored with other problem materials, such as caustics, acids, O2, etc. hazards must be marked multiple places on the container (ie different reuse of drums is an issue), they have to be properly secured, etc. Its a really big complicated manual on Hazmat. Large quantities require a bulk carrier endorsement as mentioned that requires big insurance limits, tunnel restrictions, driver biannual? criminal background checks, etc.
All class 2 and 3 materials are 1000 lbs, I'm sure. I also ship flamable gases, LP gas(class2).
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: Challenger 1]
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12/15/09 01:15 PM
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That guy was wrong if you only had 2 drums. been hazmat shipping since 1984.
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All class 2 and 3 materials are 1000 lbs, I'm sure. I also ship flamable gases, LP gas(class2).
I'm with Challenger 1 here. DOT goes by weight, 1,000 lbs or less - you're good. 1,001 or more you have to be placarded, etc.
You can haul 2 drums no problem, that cop was mis-informed.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: emarine01]
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12/15/09 01:15 PM
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Likely, yes, you are considered a bulk carrier, and I don't even think personal use (ie Non CMV) applies here, but not sure.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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12/15/09 01:31 PM
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: emarine01]
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12/15/09 01:38 PM
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Is diesel fuel the same as gas? I have been filling a 250 gal tank in my pick up for the farm for years 
Yes, class 3
And it doesn't matter what your driving, if they see that you have more than a RQ of hazmat material that your hauling without placards, etc, your in trouble.
The problem with you hauling in a non spec tank , unlike a DOT tank is it doesn't have baffles in it and the heads are likely to fail if you ever got in a accident where the truck stopped fast. The head welds of the the tank can and will rupture, I've seen it.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: emarine01]
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12/15/09 02:57 PM
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Whats up with the hazmat rules for having 55 gal drums in the back of a pick up, Got pulled over with 2 drums of race fuel, was told I needed a CDL with a hazmat permit  He told me that he could write a huge amount of tickeks but let me go  anybody else have this problem?
Here in Mich you can haul up to 110 gals without a cdl,
I was asked to get a cdl from work for a program that
I worked with(non company project)but I cant get a
cdl due to health
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/15/09 03:25 PM
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"If vehicle has a 5th wheel, it must be registered as a Truck Tractor." time to go back to being unsafe with a 1/2 ton and 24' tag...........  what amazes me is our sanctioning bodies (NHRA, IHRA, NASCAR, etc) with the size of their memberships can't or won't lobby for a clear motorsport regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am also a life member of AMA (American Motorcyclist Assoc.) and they are constantly lobbying (successfully) for motorcycle rights. I'm sure there is more money behind racing than motorcycling.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/15/09 05:22 PM
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"If vehicle has a 5th wheel, it must be registered as a Truck Tractor."
Is this true.... my rig is a 5th wheel but you cant
see it(I use a snap on cover over the bed even when
the trailer is hooked up). Plus I've seen camper trailer
with 5th wheels(you could have a choice when purchused)
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12/15/09 05:27 PM
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/15/09 05:55 PM
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"If vehicle has a 5th wheel, it must be registered as a Truck Tractor."
but no there's mention of a gooseneck. I wonder how that works out if you have one ??
I'm guessing their generalizing as the the only difference is which vehicle the "king pin" is mounted to. To hard to write "bed mounted hitch system" or done on purpose for loop holes to catch us with......
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/16/09 03:29 PM
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what amazes me is our sanctioning bodies (NHRA, IHRA, NASCAR, etc) with the size of their memberships can't or won't lobby for a clear motorsport regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you remember a few years ago, the California Highway Patrol was threatening to detain/impound the rigs of the top fuel and funny car teams because of the size of their sleeper cabs and overall length.
NHRA jumped all over that and got some kind of exemption worked out. They never seem to have ANY interest in helping out the sportsman racers..... on or off the track.
SEMA is always neck deep in support of the overall performance industry, but DOT problems are probably outside their arena.
I just don't care anymore, well maybe I do.
I try to tow my car with a regular p/u truck, no lettering or anything when I go interstate.
When I stay local I use my tow truck or what ever,
Just make sure I'm strapped up properly.
DOT, don't play here in FL,
I have the tickets to prove it, even if I win in court, its a pain nda a$$ 
Which I do win most of the time
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: B G Racing]
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12/16/09 03:59 PM
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None of it matters till you get busted,right or wrong it cost to defend yourself.There is a lot at stake,legal fees and the chance you could lose your licence.I'd rather pay the extra licence fees and trailer inspections than fight the fines.To get busted out of state can be more costly,out of state attorneys,court appearences and etc.
Thats why I say I comply out
of state. I try to stay within
the law, but allot of these guys
don't know the law. I've had them
give me a tickets, even after showing
them the law. I hate DOT 
I don't think its just me either 
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/16/09 04:28 PM
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None of it matters till you get busted,right or wrong it cost to defend yourself.There is a lot at stake,legal fees and the chance you could lose your licence.I'd rather pay the extra licence fees and trailer inspections than fight the fines.To get busted out of state can be more costly,out of state attorneys,court appearences and etc.
Thats why I say I comply out
of state. I try to stay within
the law, but allot of these guys
don't know the law. I've had them
give me a tickets, even after showing
them the law. I hate DOT
I don't think its just me either
I agree that most enforcers are ignorant of the laws.Here in Pa.we have a registration exempt tow behind law enacted in 1977 for agriculture and construction trailers.I have a copy in all our trucks,yet we constantly get ticketed and have defend ourselfs with our own knowledge of our laws.We always win but still cost time and money. 
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/16/09 04:46 PM
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None of it matters till you get busted,right or wrong it cost to defend yourself.There is a lot at stake,legal fees and the chance you could lose your licence.I'd rather pay the extra licence fees and trailer inspections than fight the fines.To get busted out of state can be more costly,out of state attorneys,court appearences and etc.
Thats why I say I comply out
of state. I try to stay within
the law, but allot of these guys
don't know the law. I've had them
give me a tickets, even after showing
them the law. I hate DOT
I don't think its just me either
I agree that most enforcers are ignorant of the laws.Here in Pa.we have a registration exempt tow behind law enacted in 1977 for agriculture and construction trailers.I have a copy in all our trucks,yet we constantly get ticketed and have defend ourselfs with our own knowledge of our laws.We always win but still cost time and money.
That's why the state boys jump all over outa states trucks, they just want you to pay the fine, All too often outa state people wont take the time to appear in the state that busted themj, easy money 
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