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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on

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I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states:

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If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.

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Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?

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Towing your car to a drag race where you are competing for money is considered commercial, at least PA does. Towing to a show, not competing for money looks like it would fall into that category your document describes.

A big magnet is any decals on your trailer, such as "joe schmo's racing", mopar, or any other business that could be construed as a sponsor.

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one of the reasons my trailer is plain white not a sticker of any kind

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This is why mine says not for hire on both sides.
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and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.

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just the tow vehicle? actual weight? gvwr? gcwr?

F350 7,500
GVWR 11,200
GCWR 20,000

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Please read question #21

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulatio...90163348002325f

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So do you still need a DOT number and a motorcarrier number??

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Reg #21, the way it looks to me, if its not a CMV in the first place, and the only useage in question is exempt as in a, b & c, above, then no DOT # requirement, but I wouldn't bet on this.

A Motor carrier number is I believe if you are a "For Hire", which would have to be a CMV, but you can still be a CMV and "Not for Hire".

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If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.

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Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?

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Towing your car to a drag race where you are competing for money is considered commercial, at least PA does. Towing to a show, not competing for money looks like it would fall into that category your document describes.

A big magnet is any decals on your trailer, such as "joe schmo's racing", mopar, or any other business that could be construed as a sponsor.

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I agree with the signs/decals as only a magnet for scruntiny.

You other comment makes me wonder about a potential issue, that I am not sure of the answer. I know what commom sense tells me, but DOT? I don't know. I am not sure if the truck is classified solely by the activity it is doing, or if it is useds once say per registration period as a commercial vehicle, it is always a commercial vehicle during that period. Think about the reverse, One could own a 80,000 GVW Semi tractor, have it registered in ones personal name, use it driving/hauling frieght all over the country, but if the driver drives it one night to the ice cream store when home, is it now a personal vehicle, not commerical? Because the reverse is what most are trying to do regarding winning purse's when hauling their cars to and from the track. But our opinion doesn't seem to count for much in this fight.

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since the semi is plated as a commercial vehical it remains as such untill its plated differently.here in mich when you are towing your race car you are a bussiness because their thoughts are if you can win anything of monetary value even a trophy you are considered a bussiness. the not for hire sign used to mean you were hauling your own freight or product and noone elses.you think this is fun wait till cvsa 2010 starts in july 2010.

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How much a year do they whack you Bob for that class 8 registration? My ram is only registered as class 3 and I cringe at the $153 fee.

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$450 per year. For a 3500 daully.+ bi-annual trailer inspection.

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As "ro23car" wisely suggests, the hammer is coming down 7/10? with new CVSA regulations. This will be thought of as just a tea party. Google it for yourself. You sure will be gald you got your easy to get DOT #, so they know where to find you, place you out of service, and then you get to find out what the fine/penalty is for out of service violations, Ha! The gun lobby has it togther on registering guns, to bad the trucking people have just rolled over and played dead.

And even though we are in the great recession, and my revenues are way down, and there are fewer trucks on the roads "tearing" them up, Fla has raised my yearly tag fee on one of my trucks, for no apparent reason $397.00, ( it was $998.00) Ouch.

But also in their infinite wisdom, on a 70 mile stretch of US 27 from Miami to South bay, with a 50 mile stretch, without a single traffic light, in the Everglades, DOT has planted, in a dozen places, on the side of the road, 100's of Sabal Palms. There isn't a native tree within a 20 mile radius, and I bet there isn't a single natural Sabal Plam within a 30 mile radius. Of course these trees had to be braced for frequent storms, forget about lightning hits, and of course watered until rooted, and then of course unbraced. All this with taxpayer money in a great recession, while they fine the heck out you 10,000lb+ CMV truckers to pay for it?. Anybody getting this?

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As "ro23car" wisely suggests, the hammer is coming down 7/10? with new CVSA regulations. This will be thought of as just a tea party. Google it for yourself. You sure will be gald you got your easy to get DOT #, so they know where to find you, place you out of service, and then you get to find out what the fine/penalty is for out of service violations, Ha! The gun lobby has it togther on registering guns, to bad the trucking people have just rolled over and played dead.

And even though we are in the great recession, and my revenues are way down, and there are fewer trucks on the roads "tearing" them up, Fla has raised my yearly tag fee on one of my trucks, for no apparent reason $397.00, ( it was $998.00) Ouch.

But also in their infinite wisdom, on a 70 mile stretch of US 27 from Miami to South bay, with a 50 mile stretch, without a single traffic light, in the Everglades, DOT has planted, in a dozen places, on the side of the road, 100's of Sabal Palms. There isn't a native tree within a 20 mile radius, and I bet there isn't a single natural Sabal Plam within a 30 mile radius. Of course these trees had to be braced for frequent storms, forget about lightning hits, and of course watered until rooted, and then of course unbraced. All this with taxpayer money in a great recession, while they fine the heck out you 10,000lb+ CMV truckers to pay for it?. Anybody getting this?

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i for one has not rolled over but most of the industry has since deregulation

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The Federal rules and regulations don't mean squat to the state or local jurisdiction and the officer citing you.It's up to their disgression.Private,commercial,fun,hobby or profit.Many remember what I went through last year comming back from Ohio and the All Hemi Reunion.Not 20 minutes from home on I-79 I was pulled over while passing a open weigh station.I was fine $1200 for exceeding my gross vehicle weight of my Dodge daully plated for 15,000 GVW.My entire rig was a total of 23,600.I was fortunate to have a CDL and medical card for which I understand is need over 26,001#.Wrong!!! any trailer over 10,000# and requires bi-annual state inspection.I had to retitle and plate my truck for GVCW(gross vehichle combination weight)a class 8 sticker in Pa.So if your total GVCW exceeds your GVW titled weight you have a problem.The only relief is that half of the district judges and cops don't understand the laws themselves.This year everytime I pull into the weigh station they wave me on and look at me like are you stupid I'am now legal and the plates are costly but when I'am stopped I can except that any ticket I get is double the cost if you have a CDL licence. The only exceptions is anything plated "motor home"

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When I got my registration for my toterhome I had to take it over to the regristration office. All the ladies(4) came outside to look at it and I took them inside to see it.

A week or so when I went back to get my new title and MH plates the lady said they had a heck of a time convincing the state it was a motorhome. She said it must have been the first freightliner licensed in Ohio as a MH. She said they called her twice to check and they told the state they were inside it and were sure it was a motor home. My original paper work from freightliner said it was built on a MH assy line. 505 HP and all truck componets makes it a pleasure to drive. I have put over 50K miles on it and have never been pulled over in it and I have passed many open weigh stations. I made sure to never decal my race trailers even though my sponsors asked about it.

I own and maintain 9 hazmat tanker trucks at work and know all about the regs as I employ hazmat drivers.



It cost me 70 bucks a year and gives me the capability to tow any size trailer as long as it's not for profit. And how are they gonna know if I'm getting paid or not?

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The fed law says any more than 1000 lbs gross weight of hazmat means you need 4 placards on your truck and a CDL lisense with hazmat endorsements. Plus you need med card, hazmat training, and shipping papers. We sell and ship drums of race fuel and are required to limit 2 drums per truck unless there placarded. 1000 lbs includes the container and product. That's why you only see max 110 gal fuel tanks for the back of pickups.

That guy was wrong if you only had 2 drums. been hazmat shipping since 1984.

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