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Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: BSB67] #544886
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Here is something that was posted years ago.
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Drill and tap for 1/2" pickup. Drill hole below threads to 11/16" and 2.94" deep. Drill pickup hole at pump mounting surface 5/8" and 1.56" deep, radius and deburr the intersection point. Drill pump pressure hole to gallery 9/16" and 7.62" deep. That will convert to Hemi oiling system. This page 270 and 271 of "Engine speed secrets & racing modifications for Chrysler V-8 engines" Eighth edition. Part # P5249010.




And this is my 2-cents (similar):
When I do the 1/2 NPT conversion, I drill the entire passage from the pickup 5/8" dia. Then I drill 11/16" dia, 1.25" deep for tap clearance. Then I drill 23/32" dia before tapping, the depth of the threads on the pickup.

I also drill 5/8" dia the connecting passage from the pump side, and clean up the intersection with a long carbide burr on a die grinder.

While at it, I ream the passage from the lifter galley to the main bearings 17/64" (9/32" is fine too).

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: 440Jim] #544887
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And there are a couple topics in the Moparts Archives, including this one on the pump:

http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/bb/51.html

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: 440Jim] #544888
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When I did mine purchased a street hemi(567)half inch pick up.Installs when tightened and lined up perfect.My milodon 30930 half inch pickup starts to tighten and then spins to bottom of threads,if I ever do this mod to another block will tap in increments to avoid this in future.I am very good at learning things the hard way but like to pass on so others don`t have too,unless they like it.....

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Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: 6packattk] #544889
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Any opinions on this mod from BBDart....?


http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php?PH...29886.msg322814

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: camdog440] #544890
12/05/09 11:55 AM
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Any opinions on this mod from BBDart....?


http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php?PH...29886.msg322814




I read it, seems like a bunch of work, when you could simly just groove the cam like the Hemi's use to get..
My solid flat tappet "Silly cam" has been grooved. If anyone is interested I will measure it up.


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Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: Bob_Coomer] #544891
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Yes you can groove the cam/bearing , but all the same a great modification , credit where it's due.

I prefer the lifter gallery mod over the cam/bearing mod , just my


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Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: camdog440] #544892
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Any opinions on this mod from BBDart....?


http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php?PH...29886.msg322814




I just read it , I like the idea of drilling thru and oiling it that way, but I'm in the camp of blocking off the feed passage thru the cam. A lot of what's posted in the tech section here is what I posted from the oiling mod recommendation I received years ago from Herb McCandless. Herb recommends reducing the oil hole to all the cam bearings, EXCEPT number 4, to .125. This puts more oil to the crank and rods as you don't need to FLOOD the cam bearings.

The first block I did this to I tapped the passage and installed a loctited set screw with the hole drilled in it. Now I just drill a the hole in the cam bearing 180 from the original hole and have the bearing installed that way. The same should be done to #4 with that mod because as noted #6 and #7 are the rods that usually spin from lack of oil flow, anything done to increase the oil flow to them is a smart mod.

Even though my Hemi has a grooved cam, I think but I'm buying a new cam for it, I'm going to do this mod, block the cam passage and restrict the cam bearing feed hole as I have seen 6 + 7 being the typical to spin in a Hemi because the Hemi sends a lot of oil up top due to it feeding 4 full length rocker shafts.

take it for what it's worth ...

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: JohnRR] #544893
12/06/09 12:26 PM
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I finally got the E mail.



Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: WILD BILL] #544894
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See you answered your own post on Why do I deserve the Koffel treatment.Cause you are a great guy...thx

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: 6packattk] #544895
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Thanks for posting it up Wild Bill! Sure hope it helps some people out!

I have done these mods on 3 different blocks, and have had no issues. Just an FYI, using air drills works the best for me, so you don't have to worry about breaking anything.

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: 506RR] #544896
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Thanks for posting it up Wild Bill! Sure hope it helps some people out!




Any time

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: 440Jim] #544897
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The discharge passage is only 0.5" dia from the factory, but the block can be 9/16 to 5/8". So I drill it to 9/16" dia, but not all the way to the o-ring groove. There isn't enough room, so I blended it there.




I do all the tricks too but...
I go all the way through the pump housing.. I still have metal for the inner boss but it is very thin. I replace the o-ring with a rubber gasket. I get the gaskets from ACE Hardware.

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: 52savoy] #544898
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This thread needs to be preserved, please mods.

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: 52savoy] #544899
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Quote:

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The discharge passage is only 0.5" dia from the factory, but the block can be 9/16 to 5/8". So I drill it to 9/16" dia, but not all the way to the o-ring groove. There isn't enough room, so I blended it there.




I do all the tricks too but...
I go all the way through the pump housing.. I still have metal for the inner boss but it is very thin. I replace the o-ring with a rubber gasket. I get the gaskets from ACE Hardware.




That's a sneaky (nice) variation there. Are the gaskets originally intended as faucet washers or something special?

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: WILD BILL] #544900
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Wonderful Bill!

Any good soul could do something like these for a LA small block !? Or the main mods can be used ?!


BR//

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: dart_73_br] #544901
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anyone save the oiling diagram when the new world block was coming out? or link?

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: TS3303] #544902
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Bill,

I sent you the oiling mods that I have for a small block as well. Could you post those up to? I tried to make them a smaller file, but can't seem to get them small enough to post.

Brian

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Plea [Re: 506RR] #544903
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I acctually didn't resize the first ones you sent so they were easier to read. I
m not home now but I can post them later tonight when I get there.

If you still have them in the original size send me those and I'll see what I can do with those.

Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: ZIPPY] #544904
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Quote:

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The discharge passage is only 0.5" dia from the factory, but the block can be 9/16 to 5/8". So I drill it to 9/16" dia, but not all the way to the o-ring groove. There isn't enough room, so I blended it there.




I do all the tricks too but...
I go all the way through the pump housing.. I still have metal for the inner boss but it is very thin. I replace the o-ring with a rubber gasket. I get the gaskets from ACE Hardware.




That's a sneaky (nice) variation there. Are the gaskets originally intended as faucet washers or something special?




Yeah..they're faucet washers. I use a hole punch made out of 1/2" conduit to cut the center the correct size. I put a dab of gray Permatex in it before putting the new seal in.


Re: Oil System Mods For Big Block Refresher Course Please [Re: 52savoy] #544905
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Now that is getting creative!

The dia of the o-ring groove is about 0.580", so drilling 9/16" (0.562") all the way through will make it real thin, assuming everything is perfectly centered.

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