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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: Ari440] #541963 08/19/14 01:50 AM 08/19/14 01:50 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada Biginchmopar pro stock
Biginchmopar pro stock Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada	T&D paired 5/8" shaft rocker system and don't look back. Money well spent! Call T&D and ask for Sheldon, tell him Bob from Carson City told you to call. T&D 1(775)884-2292

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: Ari440] #541964 08/19/14 01:51 AM 08/19/14 01:51 AM
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LUMI member L Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46 Finland	Quote: HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THE T/D AND JESSEL SETUP Jersel 1685 T&D single shaft 1350 T&D paired shaft 1450 i ordered T&D single shaft 2 weeks ago from Koffels Place

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: dodgeboy11] #541965 08/19/14 01:54 AM 08/19/14 01:54 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada Biginchmopar pro stock
Biginchmopar pro stock Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada	Quote: Seriously, you could flip a coin on the rockers. Since you're in Oregon I'd consider T&D's just because if you do need parts, they're only a state and a half away from you. Jason Nevada borders Oregon so we are only a state away. What is wrong with you? Did you go to school in Lund Nevada or something? JEEZZZ!

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: Biginchmopar] #541966 08/19/14 03:24 AM 08/19/14 03:24 AM
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poppaj mopar Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 417 reynoldsburg,ohio	I had Scott do the oiling and go through my motor a couple seasons ago and he set up mine with his standard rockers and trend pushrods, it worked good until when I freshened it I went to a stiffer spring then I started having rocker and pushrods problems. I went to a .130 wall 3/8" pushrods and Harland sharp single shaft rockers and had no more problems. I think the black standard rockers fatigue after a couple hundred runs. Harland sharp are $1200 complete any ratio. Poppaj AA/NSS 65'Coronet "Whompin Wedge" Pop & Son Performance 557" B-1 power John Holt Chassis

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: poppaj] #541967 08/19/14 03:59 AM 08/19/14 03:59 AM
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LUMI member L Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46 Finland	Quote: I think the black standard rockers fatigue after a couple hundred runs mine lasted about 12 runs on strip and 400 miles street

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: LUMI] #541968 08/19/14 08:14 AM 08/19/14 08:14 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,287 Hamilton,Ont 7 72chrgrally top fuel
72chrgrally top fuel 7 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,287 Hamilton,Ont	I'd like to see a pic of the T&D individual shaft set up installed. I've decided to sell my Jesel for my 440-1's stuff and look into possibly the T&D single shaft or the individual. Do the individual shaft rockers from T&D require milling off the rocker stands? Steve Photobucket sucks

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 72chrgrally] #541969 08/19/14 10:25 AM 08/19/14 10:25 AM
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jyrki master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,936 Finalnd, Perkele	They do require machining. I have used both style T&D's, and both have worked well. Not so with the black Koffel's, not even after consulting with Koffel's and doing things according to their instructions. No need to get yourself aggravated, when it can be easilly avoided. Plynouth VIP '67 TT IC EFI

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: jyrki] #541970 08/19/14 11:07 AM 08/19/14 11:07 AM
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fbs63 top fuel F Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,858 NW Indiana	One thing to remember with the single shaft setups. I know T&D recommends no larger than a 1.550 dia. spring. I don't know about Harland Sharp. I have used the individual shaft T&Ds on a few engines with pushrod oiling and never had an issue.

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 72chrgrally] #541971 08/19/14 11:33 AM 08/19/14 11:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Quote: I'd like to see a pic of the T&D individual shaft set up installed. I've decided to sell my Jesel for my 440-1's stuff and look into possibly the T&D single shaft or the individual. Do the individual shaft rockers from T&D require milling off the rocker stands? Steve Attached is a picture of the T&D rockers that have the paired shaft system (a short shaft for each cylinder). The rocker stands had to be milled off and the holes to bolt down the adapter added. Indy 440-1 CNC heads, setup by BEST Machine. 8245309-T&D_installed.JPG (257 downloads)

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 440Jim] #541972 08/19/14 11:35 AM 08/19/14 11:35 AM
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440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	And this picture is of one pair of rockers. These are 1.65 ratio, and 1.62" dia springs. 8245310-T&D_bottom_adjusters.jpg (276 downloads)

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 440Jim] #541973 08/19/14 12:37 PM 08/19/14 12:37 PM
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440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	And this is a picture of the adapter that bolts to the head after milling off the cast rocker stands. 8245375-T&D_stands1.JPG (198 downloads)

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 440Jim] #541974 08/19/14 12:56 PM 08/19/14 12:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,287 Hamilton,Ont 7 72chrgrally top fuel
72chrgrally top fuel 7 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,287 Hamilton,Ont	Thanks for the pics. It looks like the paired T&D's use the same mounting idea as the Jesel's that I already have. I'd really like to avoid machining off the rocker stands, I think if I was buying new I would have them machined off by Indy and ready to go but at this point I think I'll go with the single shaft deal from T&D. Part of the problem is finding someone up here that knows what is involved with doing the job, I don't want my heads being a guini pig for someone to learn on. Steve Photobucket sucks

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 72chrgrally] #541975 08/19/14 02:09 PM 08/19/14 02:09 PM
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 440Jim] #541976 08/19/14 02:11 PM 08/19/14 02:11 PM
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camastomcat top fuel C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City	Quote: And this is a picture of the adapter that bolts to the head after milling off the cast rocker stands. And that's how it's supposed to be done!

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 72chrgrally] #541977 08/19/14 02:52 PM 08/19/14 02:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,256 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,256 Oregon	If you already have Jesel rocker arms and you just need the heads machined then send the heads and the arms down to Jesel and they'll take care of it for you. I'm sure there are plenty of other shops who can also handle the machine work. I machined my EZ heads for Jesel rocker arms but I had access to a good machine shop. I will say that it is better to order the heads from Indy with the Jesel machining rather than reworking single shaft heads. Doing the work once is much better than drilling and tapping holes that have already been drilled and tapped.

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: LUMI] #541978 08/19/14 04:01 PM 08/19/14 04:01 PM
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BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,166 Left Coast	Quote: Quote: HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THE T/D AND JESSEL SETUP Jersel 1685 T&D single shaft 1350 T&D paired shaft 1450 i ordered T&D single shaft 2 weeks ago from Koffels Place Do you guys know how much hemi rockers cost? My wife didn't either until recently.

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: AndyF] #541979 08/19/14 04:21 PM 08/19/14 04:21 PM
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72chrgrally top fuel 7 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,287 Hamilton,Ont	Quote: If you already have Jesel rocker arms and you just need the heads machined then send the heads and the arms down to Jesel and they'll take care of it for you. I'm sure there are plenty of other shops who can also handle the machine work. I machined my EZ heads for Jesel rocker arms but I had access to a good machine shop. I will say that it is better to order the heads from Indy with the Jesel machining rather than reworking single shaft heads. Doing the work once is much better than drilling and tapping holes that have already been drilled and tapped. Bringing parts across the boarder to be machined in the US can be a real PITA for us. I've heard horror stories, mostly about coming back across the boareder from the States. On top of that once they have been machined I would have to use Jesel stuff forever on them, I'd like to keep the versatility of keeping the single shafts. These heads may end up going onto another project we have when I build a 572. I read your book Andy, thank you for writing it, extreamly informative! Steve Photobucket sucks

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: 72chrgrally] #541980 08/19/14 05:12 PM 08/19/14 05:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,256 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,256 Oregon	You could take your heads up the 401 to Bewdley and have Tim at FHO do the machine work. I'm sure he can handle a Jesel conversion and you won't have to cross the border.

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: AndyF] #541981 08/20/14 07:54 AM 08/20/14 07:54 AM
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mac56 super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	Quote: You could take your heads up the 401 to Bewdley and have Tim at FHO do the machine work. I'm sure he can handle a Jesel conversion and you won't have to cross the border. That would only be 1 1/2 hours drive for you Steve.

Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers [Re: Al_Alguire] #541982 08/20/14 08:24 AM 08/20/14 08:24 AM
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Ari440 master A Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,620 long island NY	Quote: Resurrected from the dead. Got to love someone using the search function we got some homework to do ! 1.39 9.85 - 137 mph

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