Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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04/07/12 03:49 AM
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I've used straight vinegar a lot, and it works very well - see photo. Haven't tried adding lemon juice and salt yet. Vinegar immersion in half day increments is about right. If it's not good enough yet, give it another half day, and check again. Afterwards, a simple rinse in hot water with dish soap, followed by thorough hand wire brushing prevents flash rusting. That photo was taken January, 2011, and 15 months later, those parts still look exactly the same, awaiting phosphating.
I've also been experimenting with Evaporust, which is a heck of a lot more expensive than vinegar. It works a lot faster than vinegar - inspection every 1-2 hours is about right. Evaporust can't seem to quite get the job done right without some help - usually some elbow grease with sandpaper or wire brush is needed, which is okay with me. I think it is always best keep the exposure to the chemical solution (whatever it is) to the absolute minimum needed, not any more. Periodic removal from the Evaporust or vinegar and inspection to find stubborn places that need some minor physical rust removal with sandpaper, wire brush, or light scraping with a file will shorten the immersion time a lot.
If using a costly rust remover like Evaporust, it's best to remove all loose and easily removeable rust by hand before immersion. That way, you aren't wasting and depleting the strength of the chemical needlessly.
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
[Re: cudaman1969]
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04/13/12 10:36 PM
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I went to buy some white vinegar and all i could find was a watered down mixture to 5% acid (said on the label).Is this what everybody is using? Be nice to find full strength somewhere then dilute to what would work. It was 2.98 gal. walmart.
That's what I've been using. Just the store bought dilute acetic acid, $2.08/gal at Kroger's last night.
I just had a brake backing plate in EvapoRust for maybe four or five 2-hr sessions, and it looked like it still had a long way to go. So last night I decided to park it in vinegar over night to see what would happen. The EvapoRust is so much stronger than vinegar, I wasn't expecting much. This morning it was 99% finished! What I like about the vinegar is it changes the rust to either a sludge you can scrape off, or, in this case, the remaining rust was like small scabs that were easily flicked off - no need to make the chemical dissolve every last bit - better to knock the rust off, if it's ready to come off.
This afternoon decided to stick it back in the EvapoRust for the concluding clean up. After a hot soapy water rinse with brush, of course it flash rusted - see photo. But there is a solution for that. I'll take another photo of what to do about the flash rust and post it tomorrow.
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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04/14/12 02:53 PM
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Here's the after photo. To get rid of the flash rust, I coated the backing plate with Rust Cure (www.rust-cure.com) using a cheap nylon bristle brush and thoroughly wiped the Rust Cure off immediately. Another application and wiping off may be needed. If you don't wipe it off, there is a residue that can be removed with re-application of Rust Cure and wiping.
Rust Cure is a phosphoric acid-based rust remover, similar to other phosphoric based solutions but stronger. For most rust removal, I am using EvapoRust or vinegar, but Rust Cure is very good to fix flash rusting until you can finish restoring the part.
My backing plates were all originally phosphated, so that's the way they will be restored. When it comes time to phosphate, I will wash off the Rust Cure, do a final pickle in vinegar, and immerse in the phosphating solution.
For parts that need to be painted, apply paint on top of the Rust Cure - do not remove it. Allow one week Rust Cure drying time before painting.
For parts that were originally bare metal, the medium gray appearance left by Rust Cure may be too dark. You can remove the Rust Cure with a hot wash, then hand wire brush for a few minutes to get more metal shine. Then immediately coat with wax, RPM, or similar. To get the right balance of gray vs. shine, you can experiment. Generally bare parts of flat, thin metal were cut from cold rolled steel that was shiny, while thick parts were cut from hot rolled/pickled & oiled steel that was gray and less shiny. The Rust-Cure gray should be about the right color for rear spring brackets and the spring plates with shock absorber mounts.
For bare metal parts that were forged or heat treated, such as suspension parts, there have been several posts here about using gun bluing followed by RPM. You can remove the Rust Cure by washing, then hand wire brush, then apply bluing and RPM. I haven't done this yet - it may work to put the bluing on top of the Rust Cure.
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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04/14/12 06:54 PM
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from my experience with different products, EVAPO RUST is the stuff to use. for a 5 gallon pail its about $99-115 depending where you buy it.
the best price i found was at my local harbor frieght with the 20% off coupon it comes out to 18 bucks and change a gallon. i wish i could find it local in 5 gallon pails. the shipping is what makes it expensive.
to control flash rust when i take the part out of the evaporust, i just rinse with water, then i take a hair drier and dry the part as fast as i can. thats the whole key if you let the water sit on the part and dry on its own then it will flash most of the time. i never have had any flash rust ever doing it that way if i'm not going to prime the part right away and its small, i put it right away when its totally dry in a ziplock bag to keep the air off it.. some stuff i have had sitting away for months before i primed it and i have had zero flash rust problems yet doing it that way..
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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04/14/12 07:57 PM
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http://www.rustremover.net/
I buy 5 gallon pails of Evaporust from these guys. Shipping is reasonable, by the UPS people.
at the rate i'm going i should just bite the bullet and buy the 30 gallon concentrate its first time i saw that.. checking the prices the concentrate would be the only thing to work out cheaper for me a couple of the stupid ideas i had with the stuff were spinning the car upside down on the rotisserie and filling up the roof with it and then toss a bunch of parts in also as well. my other idea was to cut some 2" pvc pipe in half long ways,cap the ends and now you have a trough for a swelling or crusty deck lid seam and door seams it might get in there better then blasting the part ever would...
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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I again tried the lemon, vinegar, salt combo on some old wrenches and it worked very well. I had a bunch of very old year wrenches of all makes and styles up to 2" being 20" long and the soak worked very well. Some of them are really weird, and super old, and they really cleaned up nicely.
I'm going to try this solution in my heated ultrasonic to see what it does on really bad stuff. Easier than bead blasting, and cheaper than anything else.
Good tip, that's why I'm bumping it again, thanks OP.
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