Re: Fuel injection for 440
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#536258
11/25/09 10:13 PM
11/25/09 10:13 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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no offense to anybody here, none of us are stupid smart but if one can't tune a carb, one will have to pay somebody to set up things like; computer, sensors, weld in bungs, MAP and wiring. Like mentioned nobody makes a plug-in-play for a 440 mopar, even a mild one. It takes more than tapping an intake for injectors and slapping a throttle body on top. I'd put a complete set-up ready to roll at 3k. If it's worth it then pull the trigger. ALL of us here have bought things we don't need (many times for me) Just make sure you get your money's worth.
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Re: Fuel injection for 440
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
#536260
11/26/09 01:42 AM
11/26/09 01:42 AM
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Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
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no offense to anybody here, none of us are stupid smart but if one can't tune a carb, one will have to pay somebody to set up things like; computer, sensors, weld in bungs, MAP and wiring. Like mentioned nobody makes a plug-in-play for a 440 mopar, even a mild one. It takes more than tapping an intake for injectors and slapping a throttle body on top. I'd put a complete set-up ready to roll at 3k. If it's worth it then pull the trigger. ALL of us here have bought things we don't need (many times for me) Just make sure you get your money's worth.
Well no kidding. I don't think anyone's claiming efi systems to be as easy as pulling a carb out of a box and bolting it on. And surely the el cheapo systems like mine are going to be the most time consuming. The fast ez-efi seems to be a step in that direction but I have no real knowledge of that system. And obviously with either system, the more you have to farm out, the more $ you spend. Like mentioned, the guys who pay to have others dyno tune their cars don't get that done for free, just like guys who pay others to efi their cars don't get it done for free. Doesn't matter what your fuel system is, if you're not capable/willing to do it yourself, you will pay. The point is, not everyone who has a carb will tune it themselves, just like not everyone who goes efi is going to pay someone else to set it up for them.
For guys who's mopar is their nice day cruiser or weekend warrior, is efi worth it? Likely no. For guys like me who drive their car to work every day, to the store, many short trips, lots of cold starts, etc, is efi worth it? Possibly.
And as far as buying things we don't need, well I think buying an aftermarket 6-pack setup fits that bill just as nicely as an efi system does! Because after all both could be replaced by a good 4bbl carb and intake. But of course since you can't tell a guy what he wants, there's really no point in arguing it is there...?
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Re: Fuel injection for 440
[Re: PC-CHARGER]
#536261
11/26/09 12:10 PM
11/26/09 12:10 PM
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Posts: 1,938 Sonora CA
Mopar_Rich
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The FAST EZ-EFI is as close as you're going to get for plug and play. No manifold mods, a few sensors and computer to plug in and mount plus a new fuel pump. The throttle body and injectors bolt right on where you removed the carb and the computer "learns" as you drive it and adjusts itself. As far as EFI goes, I don't think it gets much simpler. Probably get the whole works for less than $2K. Is it a package you'd want for big cammed race or street/strip engine? Probably not but for the OP's application, I think it would be a good match.
I sell the base EZ-EFI (no fuel system parts) for $1725
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Re: Fuel injection for 440
[Re: Robbins]
#536265
11/30/09 11:04 AM
11/30/09 11:04 AM
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Fury Fan
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Yes, but the price isn't far off from a tunnelram intake, which is its carb'd competitor.
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Re: Fuel injection for 440
[Re: 696pack]
#536268
05/12/14 07:10 PM
05/12/14 07:10 PM
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dogdays
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The bolt-on, self-learning EFI setups that look like carbs are tailor-made for your setup. They will run upside down.
I agree that TBI isn't the "most ideal" setup for an engine, but it gets the job done. And for $1725 plus the fuel system, it is almost affordable, expecially when you consider a tank of gas costs $100 or more and a set of decent tires will hit $1000 quickly. Whjat would I consider more ideal? Direct injection.
It's really nice to say "tune your carb" but I bet 90% of the owner-tuned carbs on the road aren't tuned that well. As a matter of fact it's much easier to install a couple of sensors and have someone weld in a bung for the O2 sensor than it is to tune a carb. I mean, jets alone don't get the job done, you need to consider pump cams, squirters, air bleeds, power valve restrictors, mods to the metering blocks, etc. In reality for street driving one can't tune a carb without a wideband O2 sensor and a lot of time and most likely some help in the end. Or a few hours of chassis dyno time.
Technological advances drive the market in funny ways. Here's an example.....Back in the day, VCRs cost a fortune. When you stuck a tape in, you might want to adjust your tracking to get best picture. BUT THEN the manufacturers figured out auto tracking. So not only didn't you have to adjust tracking manually, but they could make the tape drives with much less precision because the autotracking would adjust for it. I didn't notice the difference in picture quality, but the price of a VCR came down from $650 to $49.95. Something similar is happening with fuel metering. You can buy a precision instrument, and use a lot of expertise, time and tools to set it up properly. Or you can buy something that self-tunes and will most often get similar results to the precision carburetor tuned with expertise, tools and time. And if the air pressure, temperature or humidity change, the self-tuning gizmo will work better than the precision instrument carburetor.
R.
BTW, I am still running a carb on my truck and I have given up thinking it's tuned properly. It runs good enough, but I am convinced fuel injection would do it better.
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Re: Fuel injection for 440
[Re: 696pack]
#536269
05/13/14 02:25 AM
05/13/14 02:25 AM
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DaytonaTurbo
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I am considering FI on my W150 because I use it in the sand 4X4ing and sometimes run the float bowls dry on my 440 on the banks.
What is the most cost effective option for me? or is there some carb that will prevent this problem?
I know that the carbs on the 427 Cobras had this problem on hard corners and they had a different float bowl set up.
You could try a carb with front hung floats instead of side hung ones if its dying on side angles. Ran one like that in my jeep. Best world be a propane mixer, lots of 4x4 guys running em.
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