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Re: 16-17 second 440 combos...... [Re: thecarfarmer] #50521
01/12/09 04:03 PM
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We had a friend that did up a '69 RR with a .509 cam, big single plane intake, 906 heads, 833 four speed and 4:10 gears at the same time I built my 440 with .528 solid, stock intake, stock 452 heads and 2500 stall t-flite with 3.23 gears in a '71 Cuda. Mine was basically a 9.5:1 re-ring and bearing job with a mild cam.

I talked with him a few months later at a show and broung it up since I'd been to the track and knew he had too. He was not happy and mumbled that it ran mid 15's. My car ran 13.57@104.

I fully expected him to beat the snot out of my car with his combo!

I think alot of people overlook small things.

Things like re-curving stock distributors and making sure they are working properly in the first place.

Things like degreeing in the cam. I can tell you my .528 was installed with a Cloyes true roller and was 8 degrees retarded when I checked it with the "dots just lined up." I have no doubt my car would've run 15's if I hadn't checked the cam.

Re: 16-17 second 440 combos...... [Re: Quicksilver440] #50522
01/12/09 05:36 PM
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Dwayne...It's good to see you posting tech info like this again.

I've missed your posts.....




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Re: 16-17 second 440 combos...... [Re: sixpackgut] #50523
01/12/09 06:07 PM
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its not at all uncommon for a non-performance oriented machine shop to use pistons like this for a rebuild, because they often just dont check to see how a particular combination of parts will work together, and how much they differ from the OE parts they are replacing.
its listed in the catalog for the application.....so they just use it.






We have a local shop that has successfully raced Mopars for over thirty years, they know how to make them run, yet if you take them in a 383 or a 440 for a resto type rebuild it is virtually guaranteed to come back with less than 8.5 C/R, they aren't interested in going through the extra work to make it run...

As a rule having a shop that knows what parts make a good combo is a reason the seek a Mopar oriented shop, any good machist should know how to do the machining but alot don't take the time to work out a good combo of parts & measurments to build a strong running engine...They know what works on a Chevy cause they researched it for their own enjoyment...They know how to build a Ford cause their buddy owns one....
If you want it to run hard you need to select the parts & measure everything or find someone that not only knows but is willing to do it right...

Re: 16-17 second 440 combos...... [Re: sixpackgut] #50524
01/12/09 06:18 PM
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Dwayne...It's good to see you posting tech info like this again.

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This is a year old post brought backup.

Re: 16-17 second 440 combos...... [Re: cudarex] #50525
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When my little brother got out of high school he got bit by the chebby bug. He bought and built a '69 Chevelle with a 396, all good parts.
I was visiting one weekend and getting ready to leave. At the time I had a mostly stock '70 Chrysler 300 2dr ht with the original unmolested 440. (Just a distributer recurve and a 750 carter)
As I left he followed me out to the highway. He stopped me and wanted to wup my Chrysler. Well my C-barge did the wuppin.
Shortly after that he got rid of the chebby and went Mopar. Dave

Re: 16-17 second 440 combos...... [Re: quickd100] #50526
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Ive got a related head story .
I built a 440 in the early 90's that didnt run right from the get go. First problem was a bad lobe on a MP 509. After that was replaced the car would fire up and run awful. Wouldnt idle right/stalls....
I went thru everything possible for a long time, and it still acted like it had a vacuum leak or something.
I finally pulled the heads off and took them apart. These were "fresh rebuilt/valve job
/etc.." THE SEATS HAD THE DYKEM ON THEM--- Untouched. So the valves were leaking like crazy .
I took them back to the shop and they did them right and the motor ran great after that(low 12's).

The shop was called Maco Machine in Des moines , Iowa--i believe they are out of business now -- and they deserve it. They cost me a lot of time and mental anguish.

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