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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/02/09 11:17 PM
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How about a Hotchkis V. XVMotorsports V. Alterkation shootout! I would like to see that!!!! I would assume that some systems are a lot more expensive in this "dream" of a shootout, but that all could play into the game, best bang for the buck! Can anyone put something like this together? Are there any other systems that would like to get into the fray???
I'd love to take my pos AAR with it's Level SubZero set up and play with the big dogs.
Just let me know when and where.
Well, if you want in on it with your haughty taughty fancy 'Cuda AAR with all it's eye grabbing purple paint and flashy stickers....  
I nominate Tim Werner with Grandma's Valiant...
We are planning to make the tow down to the Fling with Tim's car come spring time. With the new 427 inch engine and the pile of new parts being added it should be fun to watch.
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
[Re: racealittle]
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12/03/09 12:28 AM
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I ordered parts from magnum force they sent me the wrong stuff and would not take them back brand new in the box .they s@#$k some day I will get payback!!!.I then went with firm feel and HOTCHKIS 1969 charger big block 500 inch auto,all parts are installed waiting for front end to be dialed in ,when I called FIRM FEEL or HOTCHKIS back after the sale they were very very helpful cant say enough about the tech support awesum.same set up as the mr angry car in bull run.cant wait to drive it after xmas
IF YOU ARE NOT WRECKING STUFF YOU ARE NOT LEARNING !
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 12:36 PM
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I ordered parts from magnum force they sent me the wrong stuff and would not take them back brand new in the box .they [Email]s@#$k[/Email] some day I will get payback!!!.I then went with firm feel and HOTCHKIS 1969 charger big block 500 inch auto,all parts are installed waiting for front end to be dialed in ,when I called FIRM FEEL or HOTCHKIS back after the sale they were very very helpful cant say enough about the tech support awesum.same set up as the mr angry car in bull run.cant wait to drive it after xmas
I'm glad we were able to able to help you. Let us know how you like your car when you do your after Christmas test drive. Send us photos!
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 01:07 PM
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The Hotchkis parts sure are pricey, As an example $350 for a pair of simple sub frame connectors? I think this is a bit extreme.
Take care,
Rick
68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 09:53 PM
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The Hotchkis parts sure are pricey, As an example $350 for a pair of simple sub frame connectors? I think this is a bit extreme.
Agreed nice looking products but priced high. Liked thier upper contol arms but went with another manufacturer. Paid less than half.
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 10:31 PM
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....Liked thier upper contol arms but went with another manufacturer. Paid less than half.
Different products. The Hotchkis Upper Control Arm Kits are geometry corrected and come with additional parts to do that. It's an Upper Control Arm AND the gear to move the geometry.
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 11:15 PM
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....Liked thier upper contol arms but went with another manufacturer. Paid less than half.
Different products. The Hotchkis Upper Control Arm Kits are geometry corrected and come with additional parts to do that. It's an Upper Control Arm AND the gear to move the geometry.
There is a 1 3/4" correction to the alignment of their UCA. That just looked right to me. If the repair bushings make a difference for those who know how to work them, the Hotchkis approach should be worth some additional cost, making the job easier, results attainable, and a little eye candy or bling to boot.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 11:33 PM
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....Liked thier upper contol arms but went with another manufacturer. Paid less than half.
Different products. The Hotchkis Upper Control Arm Kits are geometry corrected and come with additional parts to do that. It's an Upper Control Arm AND the gear to move the geometry.
Someone would have to prove to me that what they fixed with thier geometry correction was a problem in the first place.
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
[Re: racealittle]
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12/04/09 11:39 PM
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and a little eye candy or bling to boot.
You must have see through tires and rims because I sure can't see my UCA. 
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/04/09 11:51 PM
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....Liked thier upper contol arms but went with another manufacturer. Paid less than half.
Different products. The Hotchkis Upper Control Arm Kits are geometry corrected and come with additional parts to do that. It's an Upper Control Arm AND the gear to move the geometry.
Someone would have to prove to me that what they fixed with thier geometry correction was a problem in the first place.
Here you go. Here's the proof. I was to improve the bump steer....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzxPWrdPlt0&feature=related
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/05/09 12:41 AM
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I guess I am from Missouri........ Show Me!..... That was just a fellow talking about it......
This is what bumpsteer is: http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=13
Here is how to operate a bumpsteer gauge: http://www.longacreracing.com/instructions/inst.asp?INSTID=15
When you listen to the video, he said the amounts he reduced the bumpsteer with the Hotchkis A-Arms.
That said, the stock bumpsteer does not make the car burst into flames. We are talking about fine refinements and issues that amplify themselves when the handling performance level has been raised.
The Hotchkis A-body tubular A-arms do not have the relocated pickup point. I asked them why at their open house. They said the bumpsteer measurements with the stock geometry were not as far off as the E/B-bodies. The stock bump steer did not warrant the expense of the relocated pivot point. So, they aren't making stuff up just to sell parts.
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/05/09 11:22 AM
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and a little eye candy or bling to boot.
You must have see through tires and rims because I sure can't see my UCA.
No see through eyes, but I do spend some time under the car and have several sets of rims and tires that get rotated on a whim. Think of it as belly button jewelry, or nipple rings. You know it's there, and it can peak your interest, or your the kind of person who doesn't care about that kind of thing at all. That's OK. I don't decide what everyone should or shouldn't do. Just look at all the bling people put inside an engine. I've seen see through panels on engines, and other things like that.
When I go to car shows I often don't spend enough time looking at the details someone has gone through on their ride. So when something catches my eye anywhere on a car, I start looking everywhere I can. Sometimes the details just amaze me. I'm usually just a form and function kind of guy where down and dirty is all you really need for a driver. It's time for a little bling, if it really works, that's all I really care about. The Hotchkis pieces are nicer than my ride.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/06/09 02:15 PM
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TC, I am interested in a chassis shop that can fab me up a set of of adjustable UCAs for $150, can you give me some recommendations? Thanks, Mark
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/06/09 04:29 PM
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I guess I am from Missouri........ Show Me!..... That was just a fellow talking about it......
This is what bumpsteer is: http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=13
Here is how to operate a bumpsteer gauge: http://www.longacreracing.com/instructions/inst.asp?INSTID=15
When you listen to the video, he said the amounts he reduced the bumpsteer with the Hotchkis A-Arms.
That said, the stock bumpsteer does not make the car burst into flames. We are talking about fine refinements and issues that amplify themselves when the handling performance level has been raised.
The Hotchkis A-body tubular A-arms do not have the relocated pickup point. I asked them why at their open house. They said the bumpsteer measurements with the stock geometry were not as far off as the E/B-bodies. The stock bump steer did not warrant the expense of the relocated pivot point. So, they aren't making stuff up just to sell parts.
I have the Longacre bump steer gauge and plan to check the 66 Coronet with it. It's far from stock so I'd like to see what the curve looks like. I would also like to check a couple 100% stock 66-70 B bodies to see the curves from the factory as a baseline. Health wise this year absolutely sucks big time, so hopefully I can get to the task by Feb. Any Monterey Bay area cars with rebuilt stock suspension I can check? I'd like to also check some other Mopars with suspension mods as well. 
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Re: Hotchkis parts on E body?
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12/07/09 06:42 PM
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TC, I am interested in a chassis shop that can fab me up a set of of adjustable UCAs for $150, can you give me some recommendations?
Thanks,
Mark
Anyone building IMCA modifieds should be able to whip up a set. Or pick up a set off this page and do you own with any of these; http://www.speedwaymotors.com/race-chass...rames%2c+Struts Fab up a mounting block to adapt their ends to the chrysler location and your off.
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Tires/wheels? 
