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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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Many people have been labeled as a cheater and banned for ever from sanctioning bodies for using items that were NOT illegal at the time. Reason being the rules hadnt caught up with them yet. Years ago there were several races using delay boxes before anyone had a clue what they were. Do you think they were running around telling everyone. Nope, they were cashing their checks. At least one of them went on to form a company that sells delay boxes exclusivly  As for the fella leaving a big money event without collecting his check. Im sure you are referring to the Moroso event. I talked with some there, and they mentioned this. It didnt matter if the guy was cheating or not at that point, the crowd had already labeled him as such and were going to tear him and his car in half. It was explained to me, he literally was more afraid for his life, than he was worried about the few grand. I have no knowledge if he was cheating or not, I wonder why an innocent person would run. But looking at it like that I can understand it. I do believe this same racer was later banned from IHRA, with 12 others over allegations that were never proven. The entire thing is great reading, and interesting. I suppose very few know the real truth. But some of the truth is the Matty box, was legal for a LONG time, before it was discovered.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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But some of the truth is the Matty box, was legal for a LONG time, before it was discovered.
It was, and Richie Matty won an IHRA bracket championship and many other races with his father's device. It was, however, illegal when the dozen were banned. I was announcing at Norwalk the year it happened.Not to get all political, but I would say, as someone who was around a lot of those guys every week, that I believe at least some of them were cheating. There was some big money out there to be won back then.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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But some of the truth is the Matty box, was legal for a LONG time, before it was discovered.
It was, and Richie Matty won an IHRA bracket championship and many other races with his father's device. It was, however, illegal when the dozen were banned. I was announcing at Norwalk the year it happened.Not to get all political, but I would say, as someone who was around a lot of those guys every week, that I believe at least some of them were cheating. There was some big money out there to be won back then.
Yes thats the way I understand it as well. But were ANY of the dirty dozen ever found to have the device in their cars running after it was banned? I know some questionable wires were found, but nothing hooked to them.
My understanding they were banned on hearsay alone.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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let 'em cheat. we'll beat 'em anyway. losers.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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I use to run points at a local track for afew years in a class called Heavy eliminator and did pretty good finish in the top 16 a couple of years ,but the cheating got to be too much and the as it was called in the staging lanes "Duck Hunting" the top guys would wait for new guys or guys they new could not cut a light and line up next to them. As far as the cheating I saw mechanical throttle stops hidden, cruise controls used, some cell phones used camera's monted in cars, programable tachs used which from what I hear have been outlawed by NHRA. I always wanted to do it for Fun and that it the main reason I race for the love of the people that race and the fun of it. I will be nostalgia racing next year!!
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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 I was really pissed when Petersen bought SS/DI and dumped it. Called and made them give my back the $$$ for the rest of the subscription. Just to make them do the paperwork. Bring it back..I'll subscribe.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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I've followed the Matty box scandal since it broke. I have talked to literally a dozen people who "knew exactly what they were doing", and guess what? I've gotten 12 different stories that don't match at all. I've heard everything from the box ran the tach needle to it ran the brakes on the car and a nitrous system.  Guess what else? A Matty box is still perfectly legal to have in your car and use, as long as it does not transmit real time data to the driver on track. You can "possibly" make a RacePak do way more than a Matty box anyway.  Anyone else remember the infamous "Willy Raymond" thread on the Super Stock board a few years ago? It went 150+ pages and had well over a million views. Guy was making claims that he had in his car systems to control the car and run dead-on with a near perfect light with sensors planted on the track, and a satellite uplink on a laptop in the stands. He was going to bring the car to Firebird Raceway and prove how it all worked. He disappeared into the wind, the whole thread was bullshirt just to get people wound up.  Are there people out there cheating? Sure. People will always do that. Is it as widespread as some would like us to believe? Only on the Internet. Wanna be deadly consistent? Light car, big motor, alcohol, Powerglide, big tires, and make more than 12 passes a year.  One last thing. If you leave the track without your check they will mail it to you.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 07:47 PM
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Many people have been labeled as a cheater and banned for ever from sanctioning bodies for using items that were NOT illegal at the time.
but the 4 ever ban was not 4 ever I believe most if not all of them can race in IHRA again.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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someone explain all this to me.
its simple really....
when a guy gets out raced, out classed, and his azz handed to him,
he AUTOMATICALLY thinks the other guy is cheating.
When some racers are at the ABSOULUTE top of there game, theres
always some clowns who toss those accusations.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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None were reinstated to IHRA until Aaron Polburn became president. He needs all the help he can get.
Ron H.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 08:29 PM
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I will be nostalgia racing next year!!
Me too.It will be my first year going NSS.I'll still go bracket racing but after seeing these guys racing in NSS and the way they get along and the mostly grassroots cars they bring just gives me that old good feeling back.
As for cheating?It's never going away and it's something we'll always have to deal with.As stated earlier,if you feel like your oponents cheated,protest but be prepared.
To be honest,in my 30+ years the thoughts of somebody cheating only crossed my mind a few times.Maybe i'm to layed back or nieav donno  I don't condone it.But I'm not going to let it ruin my day.The last guy that beats me usauly does that lol.
Anyway I think BG pretty much sums it up ina nut shell.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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they have ruined the bracket 2 with the delay buttons. the nhra rule book says in the non electronics class "no delay devices" tell me the long draw buttons arent a delay device. some have figured it out to leave off the top bulb. here in the midwest the bracket 2 is almost like super pro. you have to have a 15 or better to win. you cant do that consistant with a footbrake car. alot of us old guys are ready to quit.
i can be done..ive done it..and i have some buddies i race with and the first time I dont,, they beat me,,,, cause they get it done.. footbraking.. that is..
not braggin...just stating the other side of it.
...i will aggree though ive run my number and swore ive had them at the line and still lost..
and wonderd how they ran so tight..?
and often its one of those damn...lawn darts...
...the absolute best is when you can put lawn dart after lawn dart on the trailer..
...the first yr of the mopar race at SGMP..
i got bye 3 lawn darts..2 of them were super pretty .BBC power..."thats just fun right there i dont car who you are"...lol....
ill admitt i get beat regularly also...so its relative..
down south there are some deadly footbrakers..
if they are cheat'in then they got me fooled..
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the.400 tree just keeps you from reving the motor for an eternity...imho..
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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someone explain all this to me.
its simple really....
when a guy gets out raced, out classed, and his azz handed to him,
he AUTOMATICALLY thinks the other guy is cheating.
When some racers are at the ABSOULUTE top of there game, theres
always some clowns who toss those accusations.
Who's making accusations? I have a room full of trophies. And I still win, and expect to for at least 10 more years. Are you saying this issue is being policed well enough? I've had guys tell me to buy the illegal stuff or loose, and be that blatent about it. Like a lot of people on this site, we still win. But NHRA and IHRA needs to police this. That's all I'm saying. It's their responsibilty to have a level field to compete, and yeah you could say " get used to it", but that's not why I pay to be a member of both organisations (can't spell) and they should do a better job. That's my only point.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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None were reinstated to IHRA until Aaron Polburn became president. He needs all the help he can get.
exactly, I know Dave Connelly wasn't allowed in IHRA until 3 years ago. He wasn't allowed in Norwalk until Bader caved in under pressure from NHRA when Connelly was driving prostock
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