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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 12:49 PM
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I do agree that bagging is not cheating....if you are good enough to do it, so be it. Besides, I've never seen where most were very successful at it.
I totally agree that a lot of the loss of the fun factor is the electronics. If one wants to be really, really, serious it is necessary to take one's favorite combo and THEN add another thousand bucks worth of gadgets. And, the gadget you just bought is obsolete as of next month. This adds an extra expense and complexity to racing the car that leaves not a lot of time for having fun.
That is what I love about NSS racing.....old style combos, two four barrells, gasoline, get out there and race. It's a blast!! And, the young guys doing it (there are more each year) totally buy into it.
Life is too short to be aggravated by your hobby. If I want to stay aggravated I'll go to work.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
[Re: Steve1118]
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10/15/09 01:03 PM
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IMO, Winning cars need to go through tech / teardown again at the end of the event before getting paid. A pro bracket car up here was just caught with a delay box in his car, that didn't end well. Quote:
The only diff. I'm seeing in Pro and SuperPro these days is lack of dragsters in Pro.
There are 7 second dragsters running up here in pro bracket.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 01:18 PM
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MoparforLife
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I think most tracks just as well allow electronics in Pro also.
No electronics in pro unless the NHRA changed soomething. And at least at Interstate there is no electronics in Pro.  Super Pro - yes.
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ran Pro/ Heavy for years but when they started allowing 9 second cars in IMO it wasn`t fun anymore with my mid 10 second car
Why they have to run the same tree as you do, they have to give a the head start and play catch up. the slow car IMO has the advantage, seen waiting cause a lot of red lights. Don't let the fast cars play mind games with you. The quick HI $$ cars are not always the winner. After all you aren't racing the ather car and you really never get beat - you beat yourself. Consistancy in being able cut a light and having car that can consisntantly run the number. Consistancy is what wins races. 
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
[Re: Triple Threat]
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10/15/09 01:29 PM
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IMO  I politely disagree, sand bagging is not cheating, if it is theres an awful lot of racers all over the country cheating. Theres nothing in a rule book that states otherwise. NSS racing has been brought up here in this post serveral times and I would just like to add to the fact that some, not all NSS events dont even allow transbrakes. Just wanted to make a point that racing can still be fun and competitive even without all the electronics. Doug
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 01:29 PM
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Not in NHRA Division One ( Northeast) no electronics period, line loc only.( no dragsters or center steer roadsters)but the way they keep changing the rules that could change. I know IHRA allows all electronics except a delay box in Pro. IMO in these days of lower car counts and a bad economy the constant rule changes aren`t helping , I`ve seen it at my local track. Nostaglia racing looks fun but why are they all on a Pro tree?
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 01:58 PM
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IMO I politely disagree, sand bagging is not cheating, if it is theres an awful lot of racers all over the country cheating. Theres nothing in a rule book that states otherwise.
NSS racing has been brought up here in this post serveral times and I would just like to add to the fact that some, not all NSS events dont even allow transbrakes. Just wanted to make a point that racing can still be fun and competitive even without all the electronics.
Doug
I agree with this statement too. That's part of the game, but the other illeagal stuff stated in the rulebook, is not. All bracket guys are guilty of holding at some time or another, it's a strategy, not cheating.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
[Re: Steve1118]
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10/15/09 02:49 PM
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I do agree that bagging is not cheating....if you are good enough to do it, so be it. Besides, I've never seen where most were very successful at it.
All the top bracket racers hold numbers, are good at it and win consistently....Look at Bogacki, Troy Williams, Jr., Urban, etc....all very successful bracket racers that are holding....trust me. Just listen for the whomp whomp at the stripe 
Rickster
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 02:57 PM
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I think I would seriously pursue Super Pro if they would separate the Dragsters and Door cars....I for one Love the electronics aspect....as Wayne pointed out it's a numbers game and one you can often times loose by a .0001 MOV. That excites me, prior to running Super Gas I never even had a car with as much as a line-loc  Rickster
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 03:02 PM
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I would never call anyone a cheater until they are caught and it is proven illegal by the rules that are in place at the time.Like our legal process,innocent until proven guilty.To characterize any good racers or builders as a cheater is unfair because they have honed their skills or found something in their combo to give them an edge.In the tax world it's call a loop-hole.If they are caught cheating and it is a fact,then hang them,"hang them high",What ever happened to the Wayne County Guys,Glidden,Grumpy, and all those other "Famous Racers" and their contraversies over the years,not to mention some other Chrysler racers,the Royal Oak Pontiac Boys and their 389"(421") GTOs as well as the NASCAR Guys.NOTHING,AS I stated before,"welcome to the real world" 
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 03:47 PM
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I used to read BRUSA and Hi- Performance Mopar by the same publisher its a shame that good mags like those and SuperStock and Drag Illustrated aren`t around anymore. BRUSA had some really good articles on bracket racing strategies and tips on winning.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
[Re: 11secdart]
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10/15/09 04:33 PM
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I used to read BRUSA and Hi- Performance Mopar by the same publisher its a shame that good mags like those and SuperStock and Drag Illustrated aren`t around anymore. BRUSA had some really good articles on bracket racing strategies and tips on winning.
Drag Illustrated is alive and well....great rag
Rickster 
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 05:13 PM
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The tracks and the sanctioning bodies would have to get serious about going after this stuff on the local level. I believe it's also going on to some degree in the sportsman classes at the divisional and national event level. The smart guys are the ones building this stuff, the tech guys are always playing catch up. I remember a few years ago, it was announced by NHRA that there were going to be some tech people sent to California, I believe, for training in electronics. Warren Johnson was quoted as asking; What are they going to do, teach them how to use an ATM?
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Bracket race cheaters-NHRA and IHRA
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10/15/09 05:34 PM
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Not the same, It was called Super Stock and Drag Illustraded and folded years ago.
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Holding a couple hundredths isn`t cheating, what if you spin, miss shift by a hundred or so rpm, headwind etc.
