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Anyone running the CH-28? #496750 10/14/09 12:38 AM 10/14/09 12:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Just got a complete setup from Edelbrock. Cool looking parts but I've never run this combo before. The air cleaner is a little dinky for a Mopar. I think they would sell more of these if the air cleaner was large enough to accept the 440+6 element. 5544032-CH28.jpg (350 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496751 10/14/09 12:42 AM 10/14/09 12:42 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL G goldmember master
goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	A friend of mine runs that setup,yes the filter is a restiction,but easily removed at the track.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496752 10/14/09 12:47 AM 10/14/09 12:47 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,566 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,566 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Any chance you're going to dyno that set-up? I would be curious to see how it stacks up against a Performer RPM with say a 950 Holley or a (gasp) thermoquad. It do look good if nothing else. Kevin

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496753 10/14/09 01:49 AM 10/14/09 01:49 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,223 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,223 Bend,OR USA	Andy, one of my customers(and freinds) used that set up on a pump gas stroker in his wifes car,1968 Charger R/T. They have dyno tuned on a engine dyno and a once the motor was in the car they chassis dynoed it also. They had to rejet the motor down on the chassis dyno for the best performance (HP and torque)after jetting it on the engine dyno for best power and torque I can probally get copys of both set ups, dyno sheets and jetting if you want one I'm not sure on the air cleaner they used on either tests Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496754 10/14/09 02:05 AM 10/14/09 02:05 AM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,770 Wethersfield,CT Ray440 top fuel
Ray440 top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,770 Wethersfield,CT	Quote: Just got a complete setup from Edelbrock. Cool looking parts but I've never run this combo before. The air cleaner is a little dinky for a Mopar. I think they would sell more of these if the air cleaner was large enough to accept the 440+6 element. Do you think that maybe a stock HEMI airgrabber air cleaner could fit with some mods? 1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440 auto 2017 Ram 1500 Quad Cab 5.7 Hemi

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496755 10/14/09 03:20 AM 10/14/09 03:20 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 214 Hamburg / Germany D Den300 enthusiast
Den300 enthusiast D Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 214 Hamburg / Germany	I run it in my 1969 chrysler 300 and I am very happy with it. Tons of torque - just what you need for a complete set up of 4400lbs. Best ET so far 14@170km/h , 60ft was horrible 2.45. I was running on General Tire street tires with 45psi pressure. So absolute no grip. And kickdown linkage wasn�t right. The tranny shiftet at 3500 into second and at 4400 into third. Normal shift point should be at 6200. And the carbs runs to fat. The heads are homeported edelbrocks. Cam is a custom solid from Scott Brown. 10.76.1 compression, 1,75" headers into 3" system with h-pipe. 3:91 rear axle. Haven�t been on the dyno yet, but car was built to run 12s. Maybe next week I make it to the chassis dyno. To me the air cleaner looks to small too but if I have enough time this winter I want to built a cold air intake system. ps: Like your new book Hamburg/Germany 69 Chrysler 300 446cui Dual Quad 12.64 @ 110.7

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Cab_Burge] #496756 10/14/09 09:31 AM 10/14/09 09:31 AM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,169 Virginia Beach, VA O Old School super stock
Old School super stock O Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,169 Virginia Beach, VA	Quote: Andy, one of my customers(and freinds) used that set up on a pump gas stroker in his wifes car,1968 Charger R/T. They have dyno tuned on a engine dyno and a once the motor was in the car they chassis dynoed it also. They had to rejet the motor down on the chassis dyno for the best performance (HP and torque)after jetting it on the engine dyno for best power and torque I can probally get copys of both set ups, dyno sheets and jetting if you want one I'm not sure on the air cleaner they used on either tests i had to do the same thing on my 580.on the chassis dyno i picked up another 22 rwhp over the way it came off the engine dyno.i also had to jet down..... 68 cuda formula S 588" bb 5sp 70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (SUBLIME) 70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Twostick] #496757 10/14/09 10:18 AM 10/14/09 10:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Quote: Any chance you're going to dyno that set-up? I would be curious to see how it stacks up against a Performer RPM with say a 950 Holley or a (gasp) thermoquad. It do look good if nothing else. Kevin I am going to dyno it but I'm going to compare it to a tunnel ram. Basically a dual carb showdown. The engine in the picture is a 505 with RPM heads and a hyd roller cam. Heads had a little touch up work done by Dwayne years ago. Motor should make some torque but it isn't a high power setup.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496758 10/14/09 11:26 AM 10/14/09 11:26 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,566 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,566 Downtown Roebuck Ont	I predict the only category the CH 28 will be superior in will be hood clearance. Kevin

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Twostick] #496759 10/14/09 11:43 AM 10/14/09 11:43 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 970 Backwater, PA B bwdst6 Bob George Racing #1 Fan
bwdst6 Bob George Racing #1 Fan B Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 970 Backwater, PA	I've worked on a CH-60! But never owned one. This post is available in double vision where drunk.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Ray440] #496760 10/14/09 11:44 AM 10/14/09 11:44 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana F Fury Fan master
Fury Fan master F Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana	Quote: Quote: Just got a complete setup from Edelbrock. Cool looking parts but I've never run this combo before. The air cleaner is a little dinky for a Mopar. I think they would sell more of these if the air cleaner was large enough to accept the 440+6 element. Do you think that maybe a stock HEMI airgrabber air cleaner could fit with some mods? I don't know about the Hemi, but the early factory DQ intakes are 7 1/8" center-center spacing. New Eddy stuff is 6 7/16" IIRC. This aircleaner is bigger and would look much nicer with those valvecovers. $70 more than that cheapie chrome one, too, which isn't much in the grand scheme of that induction setup. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-41...mp;autoview=sku 5544617-edl-41193_w.jpg (91 downloads) Parts I seek: driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set 16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better. 69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields Send a PM.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496761 10/14/09 12:30 PM 10/14/09 12:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Andy, Don Dulmage used to ( probably still does) run that combo I think. He is on here, not sure if he frequents the board much. He is in Canada and I know has ran it for many years. Maybe someone can help me out with his contact info here. He was running it on a early 70's Sattelite or Roadrunner and ran quite well. HEavy car. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Fury Fan] #496762 10/14/09 01:17 PM 10/14/09 01:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	I'll check out that larger air cleaner. I didn't know they had that one. I have seen the new Edelbrock valve covers and they look great also.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #496763 10/14/09 01:18 PM 10/14/09 01:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Yep, I have Don's book and I remember how much he liked this intake. I'm pretty sure a good single plane intake with a nice 4150 carb will blow away the CH-28 setup on the dyno but it still looks cool. I'll get it on the dyno and find out how she does. Sometimes I'm surprised at what I learn.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #496764 10/14/09 02:08 PM 10/14/09 02:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 214 Hamburg / Germany D Den300 enthusiast
Den300 enthusiast D Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 214 Hamburg / Germany	Quote: Andy, Don Dulmage used to ( probably still does) run that combo I think. He is on here, not sure if he frequents the board much. He is in Canada and I know has ran it for many years. Maybe someone can help me out with his contact info here. He was running it on a early 70's Sattelite or Roadrunner and ran quite well. Heavy car. I own his book also and had lots of email conversation with him. very nice guy! He made a small video also. He ran 11.50 or so in a full 74 charger of 4150lbs.. With the CH-28. So if the components are right, they are excellent for heavy cars. For sure you can�t put a 300� cam in and say it is s.... It is all about the combo. "big-d at sympatico.ca". Say hello to him from Dennis Stoffers from Hamburg. Hamburg/Germany 69 Chrysler 300 446cui Dual Quad 12.64 @ 110.7

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496765 10/14/09 05:54 PM 10/14/09 05:54 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 535 Ohio racerAL mopar
racerAL mopar Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 535 Ohio	i've had it off and on the car 3 times...i'm having fuel delivery/pressure/volume issues that aren't as bad when i have the single 4 on it,so thats how i finished the season..i plan on changin fuel systems over the winter and hope to start next season with the CH-28.. 5545268-engine015.jpg (109 downloads) -1967 Plymouth Satellite #3555 446 cid on E-85 best 1/4 et 10.577 @ 127.58 best 1/8 et 6.722 @ 100.68 best 60ft. 1.419

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Twostick] #496766 10/14/09 07:29 PM 10/14/09 07:29 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: I predict the only category the CH 28 will be superior in will be hood clearance. Kevin It's pretty danged awesome for hood - AND bonnet- clearance! I run one on my Jensen Interceptor, it's a 9.35 to 1 compression 440, .030" over, ported heads, 270 Comp Cam, and two little Edelbrock 500s. It hasn't been to the track yet but it seems to run really good right out of the box, the idle is steady and solid. I was thinking of trying two Edelbrock 600s, but the engine is pretty mild, the car has 3.08 gears, and it doesn't have a stroker crank or anything.... maybe I'll change it down the road if it doesn't do what I hope! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496767 10/14/09 07:36 PM 10/14/09 07:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL Chris2581 master
Chris2581 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL	Has anyone tried it with Holley carbs or are the Eddy/Carters the only ones that fit?? Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Chris2581] #496768 10/14/09 08:01 PM 10/14/09 08:01 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: Has anyone tried it with Holley carbs or are the Eddy/Carters the only ones that fit?? My Edelbrocks have about 1/8" between the carb bases! I think it is 6 3/8" center to center of the carbs.... pretty tight! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496769 10/14/09 09:13 PM 10/14/09 09:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	I have a pair of 500 cfm carbs as well as a pair of 800 cfm carbs. I think I'll run the 500 cfm carbs on this motor even though it is 505 inches and 12:1.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496770 10/14/09 11:41 PM 10/14/09 11:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: I have a pair of 500 cfm carbs as well as a pair of 800 cfm carbs. I think I'll run the 500 cfm carbs on this motor even though it is 505 inches and 12:1. I can't wait to see the results! I want to put more power under the hood/bonnet of my Jensen as time goes by.... it will interest ME for sure! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496771 10/14/09 11:57 PM 10/14/09 11:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	Here is Don's ink in Chrysler Power back in the day! He got ALOT out of that combo and many would be advised to take it to heart before calling Indy, using the stroker stuff, etc. 5546090-DonDalm4400001.jpg (214 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: cudadoug] #496772 10/14/09 11:58 PM 10/14/09 11:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	next page... 5546092-DonDalm440_20001.jpg (133 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: cudadoug] #496773 10/14/09 11:58 PM 10/14/09 11:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	next... 5546094-DonDalm440_30001.jpg (108 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: cudadoug] #496774 10/15/09 12:02 AM 10/15/09 12:02 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	another page... 5546097-DonDalm440_40001.jpg (90 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: cudadoug] #496775 10/15/09 12:05 AM 10/15/09 12:05 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	yea, another... 5546103-DonDalm440_50001.jpg (103 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: cudadoug] #496776 10/15/09 12:06 AM 10/15/09 12:06 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	last page...11.50's @ 4,100 lbs. He is right, that's mid 10's in an a-body! With parts that many consider "junk". 5546106-DonDalm440_60001.jpg (116 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Chris2581] #496777 10/15/09 04:35 PM 10/15/09 04:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: Has anyone tried it with Holley carbs or are the Eddy/Carters the only ones that fit?? Nope it's edelbrocks or nothing. And I bet they made it that way on purpose. I looked into this once. No way a pair of holleys would even come close to fitting. Only way to do the dual holleys is a tunnel ram or possibly the early 60's stock dual quad intake? Although it looks so bad for flow who would bother...

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: cudadoug] #496778 10/15/09 07:55 PM 10/15/09 07:55 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,145 Central NC gch master
gch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,145 Central NC	Quote: last page...11.50's @ 4,100 lbs. He is right, that's mid 10's in an a-body! With parts that many consider "junk". Not knocking his results(especially back in the day)but the 5000 stall and 4.56 gears had a lot to do with it IMO.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: gch] #496779 10/15/09 08:33 PM 10/15/09 08:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: Quote: last page...11.50's @ 4,100 lbs. He is right, that's mid 10's in an a-body! With parts that many consider "junk". Not knocking his results(especially back in the day)but the 5000 stall and 4.56 gears had a lot to do with it IMO. If I can somehow get a 12.99 I would be truly amazed, and my Jensen is 3600 pounds..... I think realistically I'll be a second above that with my 3.08 gears and 235/60/15s...? CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496780 10/15/09 11:12 PM 10/15/09 11:12 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,145 Central NC gch master
gch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,145 Central NC	With that 26" tire you may rev up like it has a 3.23 gear.You need torque in that thing.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: gch] #496781 10/16/09 12:47 AM 10/16/09 12:47 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: With that 26" tire you may rev up like it has a 3.23 gear.You need torque in that thing. That's why I went with 500 carbs, a 270 Comp Cam and 9.35 to 1 compression.... I've ran a ton of tunnel rams before, but never a CH28 or a low rise 2x4bbl.... CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: Fury Fan] #496782 10/22/09 09:28 PM 10/22/09 09:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Thanks for the tip FuryFan, the classic air cleaner showed up today in the mail and it does look a lot better.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496783 10/22/09 11:31 PM 10/22/09 11:31 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,031 South Jersey kruger Yours Too!
kruger Yours Too! Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,031 South Jersey	Wow what a difference that made.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: kruger] #496784 10/23/09 12:08 AM 10/23/09 12:08 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Looks way better IMO! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496785 11/27/09 04:42 PM 11/27/09 04:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	I just finished building a linkage kit for this intake. Nobody seemed to make a throttle bracket or a return spring setup so I designed my own. I'll stock a few in inventory by the end of the year in case anyone else needs it. 5630688-CH28.jpg (146 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496786 11/27/09 07:58 PM 11/27/09 07:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: I just finished building a linkage kit for this intake. Nobody seemed to make a throttle bracket or a return spring setup so I designed my own. I'll stock a few in inventory by the end of the year in case anyone else needs it. Can the factory bracket for the kickdown be used with that bracket?? CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496787 11/27/09 08:49 PM 11/27/09 08:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr mopar addict
bb74swngr mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Quote: Quote: I just finished building a linkage kit for this intake. Nobody seemed to make a throttle bracket or a return spring setup so I designed my own. I'll stock a few in inventory by the end of the year in case anyone else needs it. Can the factory bracket for the kickdown be used with that bracket?? Andy, if you get any jetting suggestions would you share? I have no O2 tools or access/$$ for any kind of dyno info. CMG, I had a ton of factory kickdown hardware to work with and couldn't just "bolt-on" any of them. I took one, cut the cable mounting off and added welded it to another (see attached). Also had to grind the bracket to fit the CH28. Remember, this is a driver not a show car. I needed kickdown, throttle, and cruise and this is what worked for me. Yes, all oem parts. Russ:) If the pic doesn't work with this reply I will try to shrink it and do another reply. 5631150-IMGP2986.JPG (91 downloads) BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496788 11/27/09 09:33 PM 11/27/09 09:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Quote: Quote: I just finished building a linkage kit for this intake. Nobody seemed to make a throttle bracket or a return spring setup so I designed my own. I'll stock a few in inventory by the end of the year in case anyone else needs it. Can the factory bracket for the kickdown be used with that bracket?? Nope, I have a Doug Nash 5 speed in my car so I didn't try to accomodate the factory kickdown in my design.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: bb74swngr] #496789 11/28/09 03:31 AM 11/28/09 03:31 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	I made an interconnecting piece from flat stock for my carbs, and drilled a hole at the exact location the original carb linkage rod was. I bolted the factory piece in the factory location, and I hooked up my kickdown and throttle linkage bracket to it.... I'll post a pic when it stops pouring rain! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #496790 11/28/09 12:51 PM 11/28/09 12:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,779 Holland MI Ottawa 2 2boltmain master
2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,779 Holland MI Ottawa	You must remember that setup was a hot setup 35 years ago. It is definately a more street than strip deal. That being said I have run it on 2 Challengers with 440s, 509 cams and 3000rpm stall converters. It is FANTASTIC!!! Great sound and even better looks- plus its a period hop up from a day when more carbs simply equaled more power output. On a 440 Edelbrock says the manifold is an idle to 6000 rpm setup. I love that setup. Wish they made a manifold for the smallblock. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496791 11/30/09 05:04 PM 11/30/09 05:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,733 Moved to N.E. Tennessee GomangoCuda master
GomangoCuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,733 Moved to N.E. Tennessee	Quote: I just finished building a linkage kit for this intake. Nobody seemed to make a throttle bracket or a return spring setup so I designed my own. I'll stock a few in inventory by the end of the year in case anyone else needs it. Why not progressive linkage similar to a street hemi? I think power will be similar to a 6pk. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: GomangoCuda] #496792 11/30/09 06:42 PM 11/30/09 06:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	I can't think of any reason to add the complexity of a progressive linkage. Maybe I would need to try it both ways before I understood the issues involved.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496793 12/02/09 01:16 AM 12/02/09 01:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	I finished up the 505 motor and we're ready to go to the dyno. I'll test this intake against a Performer RPM and see how they do. This should be a nice hot street motor or maybe a bracket motor. Comp 292HR hyd roller cam, Edelbrock heads with some mild porting by Dwayne, 4.250 stroke with SCAT 6.800 long rods and Diamond +5cc flat tops. (they aren't domes but they have a +5cc raised flat top) I figure she might hammer out 575 hp or so but we'll see. I'm not sure how the big hyd roller cam will do on the dyno. 5640491-505.jpg (73 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496794 12/02/09 03:11 AM 12/02/09 03:11 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Cool, can't wait to read the result!

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: 2boltmain] #496795 12/02/09 04:06 PM 12/02/09 04:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,840 The Swamp S Sixpak master
Sixpak master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,840 The Swamp	Quote: Wish they made a manifold for the smallblock. Edelbrock DID make a 2x4 inline manifold for a small block - I've seen them personally and for sale on this and various other boards. They're out there..

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496796 12/12/09 02:50 AM 12/12/09 02:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Got the 505 running on the dyno today after the usual little problems. It was making crazy power with the Performer RPM intake and a Holley 1000HP carb. Could be the 20 degree cold air being sucked in from outside? Thing was making so much power I asked the dyno owner to dead weight the dyno in the morning so we know what is going on. The motor also appeared to be slowly eating a bearing so we stopped testing and will pull the pan off to see what is what. Every pull would put another tiny piece of bearing material into the Oberg. Each piece was about the size of a head of a pin but something is going on down there so we stopped so we can check it out. So bottom line is that I won't have any CH-28 numbers for another week or so. 5662466-dyno2.jpg (66 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496797 12/12/09 03:26 PM 12/12/09 03:26 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO mopardamo pro stock
mopardamo pro stock Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO	Hello Andy, Nice rockers. Good thing for the Oberg. What is the compression and the header specs? Damon

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496798 12/12/09 03:42 PM 12/12/09 03:42 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV dodgeboy11 super stock
dodgeboy11 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV	Oh that's just mean. It's making crazy power but you aren't telling us what the numbers are???

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: mopardamo] #496799 12/12/09 07:03 PM 12/12/09 07:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Compression is 12:1 with the Edelbrock heads. Headers are 2x32 pipes with 3 1/2 x 15 collectors. Custom built by Stahl. Heads were lightly ported by Dwayne a few years ago, they are not a max effort head at all. Cam is a Comp 292HR hyd roller. Motor sounds a lot tougher than I expected with the hyd roller cam. Spun the needle on the dyno a lot faster than we expected to! Just need to figure out what is going on in the bottom end before we can get back to testing.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496800 12/18/09 09:35 PM 12/18/09 09:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Pulled the pan off and looked it all over carefully and couldn't find anything wrong. Bearings has some shiny spots from some stuff going thru the oil and the pump had to be replaced. Only thing we could figure is that a little bit of trash was caught somewhere inside the engine and once the engine started to make power it shook it loose. We got it back together and made a bunch of dyno pulls and the Oberg filter is now nice and clean. That first day we fired it up it was making 660+ ft-lbs of torque which seemed crazy for such a mild motor. The last several days the motor settled down and hammered out fairly consistent 600-625 ft-lbs and similiar horsepower. The cold air coming into the dyno room last week was below freezing while this week the temp was in the upper 40's and low 50's. So I think that is where the extra power was coming from. Even with the correction factor it was still making more power so evidently the correction factor didn't quite compensate for the extreme cold.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496801 12/18/09 09:50 PM 12/18/09 09:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan B1Fish540 master
B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Better find that little speck and put it back in the motor..

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496802 12/22/09 02:17 AM 12/22/09 02:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Here is a picture from the dyno session. The motor sounded really smooth with the CH-28 and dual Edelbrock carbs. With the big Holley carb the idle was fairly choppy. I just thought it was the cam at the time but after hearing how it sounded with the Eddy carbs on there I think the Holley idle circuit needed attention. Engine made a solid 600/600 with the CH-28 setup. I installed two inch spacers under the carbs because it is a big engine and I figured it could use some extra plenum volume. 5682715-ch28dyno.jpg (95 downloads)

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496803 12/22/09 02:00 PM 12/22/09 02:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 826 Georgia 66coronet super stock
66coronet super stock Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 826 Georgia	So, it lost roughly 25 hp going to the ch-28 setup? Inquiring minds want to know.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: 66coronet] #496804 12/22/09 02:23 PM 12/22/09 02:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Basically that is correct. We ran a bunch of pulls with both the Performer RPM and the CH-28. On average the CH-28 was down 15 or 20 hp from the Performer RPM. I wouldn't say that either setup was perfectly tuned so your numbers might vary. Going into this dyno session I really didn't expect the CH-28 to support 600 hp. It is a low rise intake and the airflow has to struggle to get thru all the twists and turns. But it sounded healthy and pulled hard on the dyno.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496805 12/22/09 02:56 PM 12/22/09 02:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,010 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,010 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	That is encouraging for guys contemplating the nostalgic look, but still seeking hp. I wonder how a little porting might work? Maybe no carb spacers under the carbs for a different booster signal? Pretty impressive, when you figure it was designed in the days when we were hogging out stock iron heads looking for more hp! 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: gregsdart] #496806 12/22/09 04:33 PM 12/22/09 04:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,049 Oregon	Hughes Engines offers a ported version of the CH-28. I thought about getting a ported intake from them to run some back to back tests but I just didn't have the time to make that happen. This is a 505 inch motor with 12:1 compression so I wouldn't expect the average "street" motor to make this kind of power. A 440 with 9:1 compression would be down a bunch of power from this setup but I think this intake would still run hard on a less radical engine.

Re: Anyone running the CH-28? [Re: AndyF] #496807 01/03/10 06:27 PM 01/03/10 06:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,506 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,506 So. Burlington, Vt.	i would expect a decent single plane intake to best the RPM by at least 20-25hp on a 12:1 505" motor, which says to me the CH-28 is down about 40-50hp from a decent single plane(like a Victor). 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

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