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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: instigator]
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10/08/09 04:56 PM
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Wallaces calculator says I make 1108 flywheel hp to run 128mph in the 1/8th at 3400lbs! 
59deg 408ci edelbrock heads.
which calculator and what was the ET??
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: MegaDart]
#491492
10/08/09 05:07 PM
10/08/09 05:07 PM
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A friend went 9.0's at 2450 in a 70 cuda just on gas with little b1ba heads. We figured at that weight he was about 620 real horsepower. So you were about 150 pounds heavier than he was.
Please, let's only talk about first hand experience here, not a friend of a friend blah, blah, blah. You know all racers are liars he probaby weighs 2200lb!!lol And we are supposed to believe someone who list there car as having "bicycle tires" does that is some weird way make you feel good?? 
fyi, my car actually weighed 2650+ lbs, had a huge frontal area and burned up high gear clutches when it ran those #'s. Ask Laverne, he saw the trans first hand. things the Moroso calculator can not figure in...
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But your allowed to "think" whatever you want...
Amen to that!
I think ou812 has a clue
No, its not idle talk, and many members on here are intimately familiar with the car, its weight, and its combo.He racedit at many Classi events in super pro, and at 131 forever.
It is soon to come back out with a w9 motor Best machine built and Dyno'ed that makes the kinda power your "w5 motor" made..We will see how far in the 8's it runs on gas.
So if your car at 150 pounda heavier ran the same numberS on injected alky as his diD, you are way off at 741 ponies.
This very subject was beat to death on one of Ryans thread several years ago, .
Your car ran good, but 741 horse is a dream you need to let go of one of these years, Wayne.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car
1.41 best 60 foot
6.54 @ 105.20
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: instigator]
#491494
10/08/09 05:27 PM
10/08/09 05:27 PM
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Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 954.08 flywheel HP and 858.672 rear wheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 1,108.08 flywheel HP and 0.9 rear wheel HP
your car is awesome instigator but I am not sure why the 0.9 rear wheel HP on the calculator??
whatever Don. I certainly don't want to relive that pissin' match anytime soon.
emarine, it is absolutely possible. Call Bill Richardson at RAM racing if you need some ideas. He had forgotton more about sbm's then most here ever knew...
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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10/08/09 08:28 PM
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think Johnny Pennington's small block fits what you described. He's from Lexington, SC. Blue with purple stripes Dodge Dart running 9.60s. CHIP
Thanks for thowing mine in to the mix, Chip But I have nothing for any of these cars in this post my car weighs to much for them.
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: B3422W5]
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10/08/09 08:36 PM
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Personally, i dont see a 59 degree head(except the latest and best indy head)making an honest 700 ponies, based on the old "riders dyno" benchmark.
I know w5's wont do it, w2 wont, the b1ba and eddies wont, so that leaves some sort of 245 indy head as the only way of getting there
The only way to go 
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: emarine01]
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10/08/09 09:42 PM
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420 CU IN, W9, 13:1 Comp, .728 lift Roller, 280 Dur.@50 yes it can be done but I wish we would have went with a 48 Deg Block.
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: ccarson]
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10/08/09 10:33 PM
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420 CU IN, W9, 13:1 Comp, .728 lift Roller, 280 [Email]Dur.@50[/Email]
yes it can be done but I wish we would have went with a 48 Deg Block.
I know this will probably be a stupid question, but what would the advantage have been if you used a 48* block? The only difference is the valvetrain is more stable at high rpm, correct?
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: emarine01]
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10/08/09 10:52 PM
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: B3422W5]
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10/08/09 11:02 PM
10/08/09 11:02 PM
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A friend went 9.0's at 2450 in a 70 cuda just on gas with little b1ba heads. We figured at that weight he was about 620 real horsepower. So you were about 150 pounds heavier than he was.
Please, let's only talk about first hand experience here, not a friend of a friend blah, blah, blah. You know all racers are liars he probaby weighs 2200lb!!lol And we are supposed to believe someone who list there car as having "bicycle tires" does that is some weird way make you feel good??
fyi, my car actually weighed 2650+ lbs, had a huge frontal area and burned up high gear clutches when it ran those #'s. Ask Laverne, he saw the trans first hand. things the Moroso calculator can not figure in...
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But your allowed to "think" whatever you want...
Amen to that!
I think ou812 has a clue
No, its not idle talk, and many members on here are intimately familiar with the car, its weight, and its combo.He racedit at many Classi events in super pro, and at 131 forever.
It is soon to come back out with a w9 motor Best machine built and Dyno'ed that makes the kinda power your "w5 motor" made..We will see how far in the 8's it runs on gas.
So if your car at 150 pounda heavier ran the same numberS on injected alky as his diD, you are way off at 741 ponies.
This very subject was beat to death on one of Ryans thread several years ago, .
Your car ran good, but 741 horse is a dream you need to let go of one of these years, Wayne.
Yes the car went 9.03@146, and weighs 2450, all with 400 cubes and b1 heads. So B3 was right.
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: ccarson]
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10/09/09 12:07 AM
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According to the calculators my car has to be making near 620 HP to push 3000 lbs to 9.80's at 133. I have eddies on mine so I seriously cannot believe that it would be that difficult to get 700 out of a good set of heads.
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: emarine01]
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10/09/09 07:17 AM
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Any 59* 700 hp combos around, whats it take to do? Is there a point of no return on the 59* block?
There are a few around. I don't know any personally but run across them occasionally.
What it takes??
Well that all depends on what your after and how much $$$$ you want to spend.
You want N/A, Nitrous or Boost????
Why are you sticking with a 59* block? If you already have a Block understandable. If your starting from scratch might as well get a 48* if you can. Easier head options available to work with.
Point of No Return. I guess your really asking HP limit. Well that all depends? What block you use, how you make that power and what you use it for.
There are at least 3-4 Flavors of 59* block that I know of (maybe more) Factory LA, Magnum R-3, Resto-Blocks and the X-Block can all be had in 59* flavor as far as I know.
As far as the easiest way to get a 700+hp Mopar Small Block. As was stated!! R5-P7 Nascar Motor.
Not sure how much they are going for now, but they were about $6500 complete and running about 2 yrs ago. Granted that was NASCAR Running. Not something you would put straight into a driver.
If your looking to build? There are some top-notch builder on here.
If your just curious?! Might want to check out some other Mopar pages as well.
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Re: 700 HP small block
[Re: jim sciortino]
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10/09/09 09:24 AM
10/09/09 09:24 AM
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I find it hard to believe that a 400+ ci W-5 couldn't hit an honest 700.
Not meaning to brag, but i think my W5 motor runs as good as pretty much anybodies around.
I have pretty much stock suspension, cheap shocks, and have been almost 135 at 3350 pounds with a 727.
I MIGHT be at 640 honest horse. I think with a hair bigger cam and a better set of headers there might be another 20-30 horse there, but i dont see 60. I might be wrong.
throw alky at it, it might get closer, i am sure.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car
1.41 best 60 foot
6.54 @ 105.20
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what do you think my engine would dyno??? stroked to 408,stock 360 block with INDY, hand ported 360-2 heads,car run a best of 9.16 at 145 mph with 1.26 60fts, race weight 2,800 lbs... Jim
