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So I guess my biggest question is is it worth the rest of my life savings to develop the low deck or is it better off in the hands of a different manufacturer.

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well as much as i'd like to see more block choices i'd have to look at this one in great depth. given the economy and number of people running chryslers i'd be reluctant to risk all that. yes there has/would be a market for a lo deck but would it be enough to offset the cost and make money? there seems to be a trend of larger and larger displacements and with the bb bore spacing it tends to come in stroke which favors a taller deck. currently there are more choices than ever for chrysler blocks although the lo deck afaik would only be available in aluminum from indy or KB who seems is still taking orders for and delivering blocks. it would be nice to have more lo deck choices but i don't know if i'd leverage my retirement on it.

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Great, I have one of your blocks in my car right now!!!! Bought it from Dave Koffel in March.
Believe me I know what patterns and castings cost.I did'nt realise you had an existing pattern,cores and molds.
BTW I talked about deck thickness with Dave, as I wanted to cut the deck on the KP440 to a low deck.I left it a r/b.
If I can be of any help,just ask!
Steve

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Ahhhh thats right the Predator guy, how could I forget. Hey thanks alot thats great, we really appreciate you going with our block, how is it working out for you if I may ask??

p.s.- how about those Wheatcrafts

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Bear one thing that Steve hit on would definitely be on my list and that's the chevy pattern. if you're basically starting a race block from scratch i don't know why you wouldn't put both patterns on there. i understand is cost more but as a consumer i know i'd pay more for that convenience. being a race block there's a lot of people that are going to want to bolt something other than a 727 on the back of it.

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The duel bellhousing idea is not as hard as the chevy style skirt and we thought of that on the blocks, but there again it would come down to the demand

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i for one wouldn't hessitate to buy an aftermarket low block in cast iron or similar. i already bought a maxx alloy low block but would like to be able to have a capable spare shortblock waiting in the wings incase of emergencies. i killed a few stock blocks but would rather stay at the low deck diamensions for ease of fitment in the racecar & streetcar. bonus point is the chev & ford boys think it's a small block.

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yes and both

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Please don't take offence to this but thats what everyone sayed about the 440. We are getting some sales that we are very very greatful for but I dont know if its the economy or what but it just doesnt seem like its there. So I guess my biggest question is is it worth the rest of my life savings to develop the low deck or is it better off in the hands of a different manufacturer. I'm not trying to rant but we are just trying to come out with stuff EVERYONE will want and keep it all in the USA. Thank You

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As someone else mentioned, the current trend of the masses seems to be building big inch motors, and the low deck isn't the block of choice there at the moment as it's limited by design. I'm not sure how raising the cam works in a low deck, but if it's doable and would allow one to use more arm with the short deck then that would certainly make a low deck much more attractive.

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plus the original price of your blocks , you can thank the seller of CCJ for blowing wind up everyones skirt and touting $1500 blocks before the idea was even on paper , then not delivering the goods .

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plus the original price of your blocks , you can thank the seller of CCJ for blowing wind up everyones skirt and touting $1500 blocks before the idea was even on paper , then not delivering the goods .

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Although true, I don't think that is what was hurting the sales...I believe like I stated the current block has good competition ($$$) in the similar World block.

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I really think it would come down to what the retail cost ends up being. If it came in at $3000 like your rb I doubt sales would be great. If the cost was under $2,500, which would compete with World rb blocks, then you might sell enough of them to see a return on your investment.

The last thing I would do is add the GM bolt pattern if it increases the cost any at all. If it's doable without increasing the retail cost, then of course do it. I don't understand why it's even needed when you can just use Ultra Bells or Reid cases which I believe (??) can be had with a Mopar bell

As someone else mentioned, the current trend of the masses seems to be building big inch motors, and the low deck isn't the block of choice there at the moment as it's limited by design. I'm not sure how raising the cam works in a low deck, but if it's doable and would allow one to use more arm with the short deck then that would certainly make a low deck much more attractive.

Thanks for having the guts to do what you do. It's guys like you that keep our hobby alive and I wish you nothing but the best in whatever you decide to do.

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I'm not trying to let but are'nt
steel billet caps better than ductile
screw in plugs better than pop ins
arp hardware better than just about anyones
the ability to go 4.5 with .300+ wall thickness
strenthening ribs and fully machined except for finishing the cylinders and decking by Roush
pretty outstanding atributes??? I mean come on the caps alone are worth at least about $400!!!

I think your are right about the bellhousing deal.I dont understand the concept fully myself, why not just get a different bellhousing, and are'nt there issues with the starter??


Thank you very much, we appreciate it

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I'm not trying to let but are'nt
steel billet caps better than ductile
screw in plugs better than pop ins
arp hardware better than just about anyones
the ability to go 4.5 with .300+ wall thickness
strenthening ribs and fully machined except for finishing the cylinders and decking by Roush
pretty outstanding atributes??? I mean come on the caps alone are worth at least about $400!!!

I think your are right about the bellhousing deal.I dont understand the concept fully myself, why not just get a different bellhousing, and are'nt there issues with the starter??


Thank you very much, we appreciate it

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I agree with you 100%. I believe your block is better and worth the extra money. Unfortunately I'm not a good barometer of the overall market. If a guy hears that a world block will suffice, and it's on sale for $2,350 and yours is $3000, that guy has a way of forgetting your blocks attributes and focusing on price alone. There are those of us who are willing to pay the difference to get the best, but I think there's more of them then there are of us.

If I was building a engine with a iron block, it would be yours hands down!

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I'm not trying to let but are'nt
steel billet caps better than ductile
screw in plugs better than pop ins
arp hardware better than just about anyones
the ability to go 4.5 with .300+ wall thickness
strenthening ribs and fully machined except for finishing the cylinders and decking by Roush
pretty outstanding atributes??? I mean come on the caps alone are worth at least about $400!!!

I think your are right about the bellhousing deal.I dont understand the concept fully myself, why not just get a different bellhousing, and are'nt there issues with the starter??


Thank you very much, we appreciate it

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I agree with you 100%. I believe your block is better and worth the extra money. Unfortunately I'm not a good barometer of the overall market. If a guy hears that a world block will suffice, and it's on sale for $2,350 and yours is $3000, that guy has a way of forgetting your blocks attributes and focusing on price alone. There are those of us who are willing to pay the difference to get the best, but I think there's more of them then there are of us.

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And we would love to sell you one

Thanks bud

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Well I'm not sure how they came up with $1,500 but to me I can't see how a company can sell a RB iron block for less $2,500 and aluminum for $3,500 especially to the racer!

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