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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: 6bblgt] #48643
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Just curious of the N94 cars you know with TA hoods, I assume they used the TA hood springs in 70 and 71.....
Thanks in advance

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They'd have to. Also would have TA windshield squirters, fiberglass hood style radiator to hood seal, longer retainers on front of hood trim, no hood pop up spring or latch, must have hood pins with the fiberglass style (rivet on) bezels.

Those cars won't have AC. Probably won't have cruise control either, although I think it would bolt up just fine to an automatic transmission car.

I've heard you have to have three speed wipers because the two speed motor hits the baseplate, but I haven't tried that out yet. It might be wrong.


There was another thread on TA hoods about the same time as this shaker thread started.

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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: cataclysm80] #48645
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The only '70 car (of the 4 above) that may have its original hood & springs is the red HEMI car; a MOPARTS member use to own it, but I believe he sold the car. I have a "Made in CANADA" stamped (over the counter) hood & unpainted springs.
The VON of the black HEMI car & my 383 car are similar. The black HEMI car no longer exists.

My single 4bbl car and at least one of the '71 cars also has factory A/C!

All (4) 1970 cars have "rallye gauges" & 3-spd wipers. There was no "auto pilot" & hood restriction that I'm aware of.
The 340 car and my car are both SPD 702. 340 car was in Florida & I heard it went north to CANADA.

There was a restriction N94 - NOT/AVAILABLE on SE or with (A63) M31 due to the moulding on the rear of the hood. One of the '71s has M31, it's on the hood; the pics I've seen look legit, car was in need of restoration.

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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: 6bblgt] #48646
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6bblgt did you get the original breather with this 4 barrel car with the N94 hood. I was wondering if they came with the T/A type breather or the ordinary four barrel type breather when it was a four barrels car.Do you have any pictures of the breather you can post.

Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: hemicar1971] #48647
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When I purchased the car it was missing: hood, air cleaner, engine, trans, wheels (15x7s) & rear spoiler.
Other than that, it was pretty complete.

I asked GG what the air cleaner should look like & he had seen a fresh air single 4bbl air cleaner at a couple of swap meets on the east coast. Looked like a '70-'71 340 air cleaner with a seal on top of it with the orange '70+ "air grabber" lid.

My brother found an air cleaner at Spring Fling & showed it to Galen, I now have that air cleaner. It is a '70-'71 style 340 air cleaner base (one piece & a little taller) with a 1-1/2" flange around the top & a SHAKER seal. It has 2 plates over the openings, similar to the T/A "hot air" doors. This seal comes nowhere close to meeting the hole on the bottom of the hood.

I have a list of N94 air cleaner part numbers; where I don't know? I remember there being more than one part number for single 4bbl application. This air cleaner I have may actually be correct for 340 only. Sorry, no pics at this time. The car and pile of parts are in Ohio & I'm in Las Vegas.

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Daniel....hope you are doing well. Very inetersesting post you started here. I do not want to hijack your post; however, I was very surprised to read the low number of cars with the N94 option.

As some of you on this board know, our car "EL HEMI" is a Hemi R/T with a T/A hood (non-factory). The T/A hood was given to my dad by someone in Chrysler who worked in the design studio during the 60's and 70's.

This T/A hood is believed to be a prototype. The same hood that appears in the pictures Dodge PR Dept took of the prototype Challenger T/A prior to its release.

I am curious to see if there are people in this board that would have original pictures of N94 air cleaner lids. According to my research, these lids were different than the ones that came with the bulge/rallye hood. Lids had the same outer lip as the ones on six pack cars. Outer lip was half inch or so longer and slanted down slighlty.

In order to duplicate this I asked Rick Kreuziger (resto rick) to duplicate this. Attached find pictures.

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another engine shot

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Wow - Did Rick fabricate that lid? I have a friend with that lid (hemi, with the wide lip) and it came originally on his N96 71 Hemi Challenger. He sold the car, but still has the lid.

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This thread is killing me....

I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...

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Floyd....thank you for the info. Yes Rick did it. It would be great if you can get a picture of the lid. Feel free to send it to me if you get a chance.

I have seen a couple of the N94 air cleaner asemblies for sale throughout the years....I rarely see them with lids.

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I'll see if I can get a pic, but it looks a hell of alot like the one Rick made if memory serves (Rick's amazing BTW).

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This thread is killing me....

I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...




That car is pretty sweet looking the way it is. Those hoods are getting to be rarer than shakers now.

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This thread is killing me....

I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...




That car is pretty sweet looking the way it is. Those hoods are getting to be rarer than shakers now.




Thanks for the compliment...

I actually have the shaker hood for the car that was installed by the original owner sometime in 72. The pic is from Etown in 72. He bought all of the parts to install the shaker hood, but couldn't fit the baseplate and all the other components as he was running a rat roaster. The shaker bubble was attached to the underside of the hood and had a funky prismatic Hemi decal on the side.

A legit N94 Hemicar has to be very rare. Nice

Mike

Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: HPMike] #48656
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Dan: Are you aware of a car that was on eBay back in October 2005? Here is the tag info as posted by the seller.
N41 N42 N94 N96 P31 CTD
J46 L25 M25 M31 M91
C55 G11 G36 H51 J41 J45
V3W U A01 A46 B51 C16
FC7 HRX9 000 802 M00106
E65 D32 JH27 N1B 100374

P37 R36 V6W 26 EN2

All I can say is: What a wicked Fu**ing car! Notice that it had A/C. It was in Woodstock GA. when advertised for sale. The guy pulled the auction before it was done. I don't know what happened to the car.

Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: m46rat] #48657
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Yes, that's the '71 with A/C. I'm not a fan of FC7, but I'd park that one in my garage.

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The black HEMI car no longer exists.

My single 4bbl car and at least one of the '71 cars also has factory A/C!

There was no "auto pilot" & hood restriction that I'm aware of.

There was a restriction N94 - NOT/AVAILABLE on SE or with (A63) M31 due to the moulding on the rear of the hood. One of the '71s has M31, it's on the hood; the pics I've seen look legit, car was in need of restoration.




What happened to the Black Hemi with TA Hood car? With features like that it seems like that car should be restored regardless of what condition it's in.

So the N94 cars with a single carb can have AC, but their air cleaner doesn't seal properly to the opening in the hood. Is that right? So is the air cleaner round or oval?

Six pack cars (including all TAs) weren't supposed to come with speed control. I'm not sure why. I've put it on one and it works great!

I was considering puting the A63 package on a TA clone I'm building, but have decided against it for a few reasons. Out of curiosity, How did the factory attach the rear hood molding to a TA hood in 71? It's supposed to clip on, but the fiberglass hood is thicker. Did they grind the hood thinner, or spread the molding and hold it with butyle rubber or screws? any idea?

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The T/A hood was given to my dad by someone in Chrysler who worked in the design studio during the 60's and 70's.

This T/A hood is believed to be a prototype. The same hood that appears in the pictures Dodge PR Dept took of the prototype Challenger T/A prior to its release.





What are the differences between your hood (or any prototype TA hood) and a production TA hood?

Tav

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Cataclysm80: There are several differences and here I will mention some:
1) Dodge Raised insignia in the front of the hood
2) Scoop is 2 1/2" farther towards the windshield
3) Air vents are narrower and slightly deeper with a different mesh
4) No windshield squirters
5) Hood has an edge lip from front to back similar to a steel hood

Attached a side by side comparison...

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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers [Re: HPMike] #48661
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This thread is killing me....

I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...




It's OK Mike, I'm having running/driving/painted car envy...

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Pictured above....Prototype hood is on the left. Picture below is on the FACTORY hood..AIR VENTS

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