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Don't know much about Holley's situation but recently I decided to give Barry Grant another chance and it backfired on me.Having used BG's stuff for many years with great success about 6 years ago we had a rash of regulator issues,from missing parts to schrapnal,then came the crap in the carbs,followed buy a match set of flowed carbs for a blower application(nice paper work) but carbs were not even close,not even jetting,followed up by a BG400 that almost cost me my Hemi race car.It's still setting on the shelf as a reminder.At the Mopar Nat's I needed a new pump and bought a BG220 put it on and it peeed all over,got a second 220 to replace it and it did the same.I respect Barry Grant and what he has done for racing and his techonology is second to none but at this point my confidence level is quite low.On a positive note I have used his carbs on quite a few builds with great success after giving them my own"BG Treatment" or "BGR Treatment"Hopefully his product will regain my confidence in future,the man,Barry Grant will always have my respect.

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Do you still have the 220 pumps? If so we need to get them corrected for you since it should have been a warranty issue and you can send them in along with a copy of this thread to the attention of the tech department.

How long has it been since you last tried our carbs and had to go into them?

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It has been 4 years since I have tried any BG stuff,the 220 were this year about a month ago.My supplier told me to send them to BG for warranty but recalling a warranty issue from 4 years ago I told him he could deal with it since the last warranty job that was done through a BG dealer cost me the same as a new 400 pump would have cost and the didn't fix the pump.It was returned in the same condition that almost cost me my Race car.That's the one one the shelf that is in plain sight to remind me. After being snake bit a few times,I'am very careful.Also I delt with Barry himself on a 1100 CFM dominator years ago that he said would be my ticket on my Hemi.At the time it was $1200 and the agreement was that if it didn't do what he said I would get 100% of my money back.Well,I went for it and loss 2tenths on my car,loaned to another racer with a 500" wedge and he lost over 2tenths,and tried it yet on another wedge with the same results.Needless to say he got his carb and I got my money back.My stock Holly 1250 dominator with my tweaking is a 1/2 second faster that is on the car now.Don't take this as bashing BG at all it's the plain and simple race experience from the real world.As I have said before I have great respect for Barry and his products and techonology and think he is an awsome person to have overcome so much and yet keeps on developing race engineered parts,his quality control and some of his workers need to be as deligent as Barry

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You had me right up to the point that you tried to say the repair on a 400 pump cost as much as a new one. I have seen others post this only to have us find out who they were and pull the paperwork to show otherwise. I am sorry you had problems with our products but that statement is simply not true in that a new 400 pump sells for over 400.00 and the most a full rebuild on one costs is 179.00 plus shipping which is less then half of the cost of a new one. Guess that is part of the problems brought on by the internet now though as people can post whatever and others believe everything they read. 4 years ago prob no chance for us to find the paperwork but 400 repairs have always been no more then 1/2 the cost and there has been no price increase in them. A full bottom end rebuild is 125.00 and if it needs a motor it is another 54.00 which is where the 179.00 figure comes in.Who was the supplier on the 220's? You can pm me if you dont wish to post it.

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Well now you show your true colors by insinuating that I lied about the cost of repair your dealer charge me.Would you like me to post the the $378 bill.We at BGR keep good business records also.You "had me" thinking why not mend a broken fence right up until your last post.You just told me why not to. Thanks,Bob [Email]George@BGR[/Email]

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No true colors at all as I am always transparent wherever I post. You have stated you were charged the cost of a new pump for repairs and I have posted what the maximum charges are which are less then half so if somebody else charged you 378. then you have an issue with them and not us. I have researched the name you gave me on the 400 repair and I do not show them as a dealer nor have any history on them . I asked for a date when this occured to which I did not get an answer but will be glad to continue to investigate this on our end. As I stated in the pm if this guy was charged anything more then the 179.00 and shipping for the repair of your pump I will be more then glad to post our findings and an apology as well as trying to make it right.

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So you cant find the paper..."It must be a lie"
Better watch what you say about Bob George....you dont want to open this can of worms..trust me

I currently will be running a BG Fuel pump and regulator. I have not owned one of these before...I also have had good luck with the BG line of carbs.
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If you'll pm me some info on when they were purchased and what was missing I will pass it along to the department managers. Also if they had any stampings or paint mark would be helpful. If you get another one with an issue send me a pm so I can get some info from you and address it with those involved as well as getting you whatever is missing.

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I called the tech line a BG just two weeks ago.
It was a missing a C clip and a little V.S. stuff.
I was going to fix it myself but the tech said to
ship it back. I wasn't going to pay back shipping
on a new carb out of the box. So I sent it back to
Jegs. Now I have a another new one. So far so good.

The other carb was the 825 Race Demon. I thought
it was a bad front bowl, and the tech says send it back. Again I prefer to fix it myself rather
that pay shipping both ways and buy extra parts I
don't need. Come to find out it's a odd sized
pin holding the float in. Over time it would not stay in the slot. I go to the local parts store
and get a pin as close to the size as what should
be in there. With a little cutting down and fine
sanding it to fit, now the float works great.

I still think 9 out of 10 items purchased today are junk or bad Q.C. and will not last 2 years.

Example: My Sony DVR player is just shy of 2
years old and the P.O.S. is junk already.
It will cost more to fix than to get a new one.

I can get out the old Kodak Brownie 300 film
projector, and toss on the old 8 MM film and
for a machine that's over 50 years old, it runs
just as good as when it was new.


I like my new Speed Demon 750 V.E. annular booster
carb. Again the midrange is great.

Make a good product and you will make good money.

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Typically when there is more then 1 part missing or a major component with issues the guys have been trained to get the carb back here just to make sure there is nothing else wrong with it and also to have it ran across the flow bench again for safety sake. We do pay the shipping back but like everybody elses warranty policy the customer pays it in. Should you have an issue down the road with another one let my know and I'll see what I can do.

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Don't know much about Holley's situation but recently I decided to give Barry Grant another chance and it backfired on me.Having used BG's stuff for many years with great success about 6 years ago we had a rash of regulator issues,from missing parts to schrapnal,then came the crap in the carbs,followed buy a match set of flowed carbs for a blower application(nice paper work) but carbs were not even close,not even jetting,followed up by a BG400 that almost cost me my Hemi race car.It's still setting on the shelf as a reminder.At the Mopar Nat's I needed a new pump and bought a BG220 put it on and it peeed all over,got a second 220 to replace it and it did the same.I respect Barry Grant and what he has done for racing and his techonology is second to none but at this point my confidence level is quite low.On a positive note I have used his carbs on quite a few builds with great success after giving them my own"BG Treatment" or "BGR Treatment"Hopefully his product will regain my confidence in future,the man,Barry Grant will always have my respect.

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Do you still have the 220 pumps? If so we need to get them corrected for you since it should have been a warranty issue and you can send them in along with a copy of this thread to the attention of the tech department.

How long has it been since you last tried our carbs and had to go into them?

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It has been 4 years since I have tried any BG stuff,the 220 were this year about a month ago.My supplier told me to send them to BG for warranty but recalling a warranty issue from 4 years ago I told him he could deal with it since the last warranty job that was done through a BG dealer cost me the same as a new 400 pump would have cost and the didn't fix the pump.It was returned in the same condition that almost cost me my Race car.That's the one one the shelf that is in plain sight to remind me. After being snake bit a few times,I'am very careful.Also I delt with Barry himself on a 1100 CFM dominator years ago that he said would be my ticket on my Hemi.At the time it was $1200 and the agreement was that if it didn't do what he said I would get 100% of my money back.Well,I went for it and loss 2tenths on my car,loaned to another racer with a 500" wedge and he lost over 2tenths,and tried it yet on another wedge with the same results.Needless to say he got his carb and I got my money back.My stock Holly 1250 dominator with my tweaking is a 1/2 second faster that is on the car now.Don't take this as bashing BG at all it's the plain and simple race experience from the real world.As I have said before I have great respect for Barry and his products and techonology and think he is an awsome person to have overcome so much and yet keeps on developing race engineered parts,his quality control and some of his workers need to be as deligent as Barry

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You had me right up to the point that you tried to say the repair on a 400 pump cost as much as a new one. I have seen others post this only to have us find out who they were and pull the paperwork to show otherwise. I am sorry you had problems with our products but that statement is simply not true in that a new 400 pump sells for over 400.00 and the most a full rebuild on one costs is 179.00 plus shipping which is less then half of the cost of a new one. Guess that is part of the problems brought on by the internet now though as people can post whatever and others believe everything they read. 4 years ago prob no chance for us to find the paperwork but 400 repairs have always been no more then 1/2 the cost and there has been no price increase in them. A full bottom end rebuild is 125.00 and if it needs a motor it is another 54.00 which is where the 179.00 figure comes in.Who was the supplier on the 220's? You can pm me if you dont wish to post it.

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Well now you show your true colors by insinuating that I lied about the cost of repair your dealer charge me.Would you like me to post the the $378 bill.We at BGR keep good business records also.You "had me" thinking why not mend a broken fence right up until your last post.You just told me why not to. Thanks,Bob [Email]George@BGR[/Email]

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No true colors at all as I am always transparent wherever I post. You have stated you were charged the cost of a new pump for repairs and I have posted what the maximum charges are which are less then half so if somebody else charged you 378. then you have an issue with them and not us. I have researched the name you gave me on the 400 repair and I do not show them as a dealer nor have any history on them . I asked for a date when this occured to which I did not get an answer but will be glad to continue to investigate this on our end. As I stated in the pm if this guy was charged anything more then the 179.00 and shipping for the repair of your pump I will be more then glad to post our findings and an apology as well as trying to make it right.

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So you cant find the paper..."It must be a lie"
Better watch what you say about Bob George....you dont want to open this can of worms..trust me

I currently will be running a BG Fuel pump and regulator. I have not owned one of these before...I also have had good luck with the BG line of carbs.
BTW
Its nice that you are listening to people, and have concerns about customer care.. This will have a good outcome..
I know its hard to make every customer happy, the customer like there opinions and suggestions to be known..

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Bob all is good,Adam and I discussed at length all my issues and how things transpired.He was only going on his best assumption and the records he has.We all know when we assume we only make an azz of u and me.We have all the business records dating back quite a few years and all partys are still alive and well.Although I'am an older "gentlemen" my mind is still intact.In my early post I didn't detail every chapter and verse as I did in private PMs and conversation with Adam.Again I commend Adam for having the balls to jump in the frey and defend Barry Grant Co. and for trying to help those with issues.I appreciate him taking the time to get to the facts of my issues and will "give him the benifit of the doubt" and maybe draw me back to Barry Grant products.I will let all my friends know how it works out.As for my honesty,integrity and professionalism which most know me for,I will never falter from defending it.Our character speaks volumes of who we are and I feel mine speaks for myself. Again thanks Adam Campbell at BG,the 400 went out today.

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Do you still have the 220 pumps? If so we need to get them corrected for you since it should have been a warranty issue and you can send them in along with a copy of this thread to the attention of the tech department.

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It has been 4 years since I have tried any BG stuff,the 220 were this year about a month ago.My supplier told me to send them to BG for warranty but recalling a warranty issue from 4 years ago I told him he could deal with it since the last warranty job that was done through a BG dealer cost me the same as a new 400 pump would have cost and the didn't fix the pump.It was returned in the same condition that almost cost me my Race car.That's the one one the shelf that is in plain sight to remind me. After being snake bit a few times,I'am very careful.Also I delt with Barry himself on a 1100 CFM dominator years ago that he said would be my ticket on my Hemi.At the time it was $1200 and the agreement was that if it didn't do what he said I would get 100% of my money back.Well,I went for it and loss 2tenths on my car,loaned to another racer with a 500" wedge and he lost over 2tenths,and tried it yet on another wedge with the same results.Needless to say he got his carb and I got my money back.My stock Holly 1250 dominator with my tweaking is a 1/2 second faster that is on the car now.Don't take this as bashing BG at all it's the plain and simple race experience from the real world.As I have said before I have great respect for Barry and his products and techonology and think he is an awsome person to have overcome so much and yet keeps on developing race engineered parts,his quality control and some of his workers need to be as deligent as Barry

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You had me right up to the point that you tried to say the repair on a 400 pump cost as much as a new one. I have seen others post this only to have us find out who they were and pull the paperwork to show otherwise. I am sorry you had problems with our products but that statement is simply not true in that a new 400 pump sells for over 400.00 and the most a full rebuild on one costs is 179.00 plus shipping which is less then half of the cost of a new one. Guess that is part of the problems brought on by the internet now though as people can post whatever and others believe everything they read. 4 years ago prob no chance for us to find the paperwork but 400 repairs have always been no more then 1/2 the cost and there has been no price increase in them. A full bottom end rebuild is 125.00 and if it needs a motor it is another 54.00 which is where the 179.00 figure comes in.Who was the supplier on the 220's? You can pm me if you dont wish to post it.

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Well now you show your true colors by insinuating that I lied about the cost of repair your dealer charge me.Would you like me to post the the $378 bill.We at BGR keep good business records also.You "had me" thinking why not mend a broken fence right up until your last post.You just told me why not to. Thanks,Bob [Email]George@BGR[/Email]

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No true colors at all as I am always transparent wherever I post. You have stated you were charged the cost of a new pump for repairs and I have posted what the maximum charges are which are less then half so if somebody else charged you 378. then you have an issue with them and not us. I have researched the name you gave me on the 400 repair and I do not show them as a dealer nor have any history on them . I asked for a date when this occured to which I did not get an answer but will be glad to continue to investigate this on our end. As I stated in the pm if this guy was charged anything more then the 179.00 and shipping for the repair of your pump I will be more then glad to post our findings and an apology as well as trying to make it right.

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So you cant find the paper..."It must be a lie"
Better watch what you say about Bob George....you dont want to open this can of worms..trust me

I currently will be running a BG Fuel pump and regulator. I have not owned one of these before...I also have had good luck with the BG line of carbs.
BTW
Its nice that you are listening to people, and have concerns about customer care.. This will have a good outcome..
I know its hard to make every customer happy, the customer like there opinions and suggestions to be known..

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Really? Cause all the bashing, sniveling and whining hu?
Or is cause of the continuous sales pitches, and free advertising, they felt like you should be paying like other site sponsors and decided to kick you off? (Mopar Chat years, and years ago)

Im not trying to stir the pot just calling like i see it.
But coming on a board this way pointing fingers doesn't help or solve anything...never know Might be counter Productive.

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Really? Cause all the bashing, sniveling and whining hu?
Or is cause of the continuous sales pitches, and free advertising, they felt like you should be paying like other site sponsors and decided to kick you off? (Mopar Chat years, and years ago)

Im not trying to stir the pot just calling like i see it.
But coming on a board this way pointing fingers doesn't help or solve anything...never know Might be counter Productive.

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Well put Bob,what everyone always complained about,everytime there is an issue some manufactures and suppliers want to blame it on the customer.Not saying in a lot of cases that the problem is not self inflicted or based on not having the knowledge or ability to solve the problem or in some cases caused by a 3rd party.But here's where the oppertunity for the manufacture or supplier get to be the hero and help the end user,who then becomes a loyal user and promoter of said product.This is exactly what Adam at BG is trying to promote,a great customer relationship.If I hadn't aired my issues here Adam and BG would never have known of BGR and why we quit using BG products.After lengthy and productive discussions I have decided that Adam and BG care about their customers and their reputation and are willing to take the time and expound the effort to bring to an amicable resolution any issues that are their valid issues.The attitudes have to take a back seat to be able to solve the issues.For some one to come hear and belittle any member and put themselves on some kind of elite pedestal and claim they are the Messiah or fix all is just asking for critizism and disrespect.I don't know them,don't dislike them but from their presentation here I don't think I would do business with them.I like Adams approach and think I will establish a better relationship dealing with him and BG direct. P.S.Don,if all the bashing,sniveling and whining kept you off the site,why are you here?Are you saying that you fix BG products that are substandard and we should buy them from you? Or is business just slow and your taking advantage of an oppertunity to blow your horn? At any rate you took the wrong approch.Thanks but no thanks,even though your little video gave me a chuckle.

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My brother bought a brand new speed demon a few yr before his car was done once the car was done installed the carb brand new out of the box .That thing was so rich we changed power valves played with the air bleeds carb is still way fat and pops and misses all the way down the track install a used holly car runs great .I told him to call Barry Grant they said we cannot help you carbs to old nice custmore service .Barry grant will never get a dime from me and I tell everybody about that piece of $hit carb.Remember 1 bad custmore will tell 100 people 1 good custmore might tell 2 you need to make it right with him over $500.00 for that piece of $hit

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My brother bought a brand new speed demon a few yr before his car was done once the car was done installed the carb brand new out of the box .That thing was so rich we changed power valves played with the air bleeds carb is still way fat and pops and misses all the way down the track install a used holly car runs great .I told him to call Barry Grant they said we cannot help you carbs to old nice custmore service .Barry grant will never get a dime from me and I tell everybody about that piece of $hit carb.Remember 1 bad custmore will tell 100 people 1 good custmore might tell 2 you need to make it right with him over $500.00 for that piece of $hit

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Ok guys... I have this carb here that we are getting bashed over and will post some pictures if it will let me.

We don't mind trying to help wherever possible but dont try to put one over on us or screw us. I was told in a pm that this carb was a couple of years old and only ran for 30 minutes.

It get here and we have not even made the bowls that were on it for close to 5 years not to mention the fact is is black inside and covered outside with dirt , grease and oil.

We put it on our flow bench and the idle fuel was over 100% so I took it apart and found the power valve gasket was not centered when they changed the pv and was hanging out. It also had 2 brass restrictors that had been added to the primary idle air bleeds that should have been added to the idle feed restrictors instead and the primary jetting had been reduced by 10 numbers and the rears by 5.

Although this carburetor should have been rebuilt at the customers exspense we fixed the problems above, resized the idle air bleeds in it and returned the jetting tot he stock calibration and it now has 82% idle fuel and 230 at wot which is within new specs. We did this at no charge.

The poster has been told both by myself and the tech he spoke with yesterday that this carb is too big for his 440 as it will flow over 1000 cfm.

It is NOT going to run right on this combination regardless of tuning and belongs on something 500 inches or larger to which we were told that they would post we did not fix the carb. Go ahead as I believe we have gone way above what was required to begin with in this situation.

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The poster has been told both by myself and the tech he spoke with yesterday that this carb is too big for his 440 as it will flow over 1000 cfm.

It is NOT going to run right on this combination regardless of tuning and belongs on something 500 inches or larger to which we were told that they would post we did not fix the carb. Go ahead as I believe we have gone way above what was required to begin with in this situation.

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You care to explain why? I personally have run much larger carbs than this on a 440, and picked up a ton.
This past weekend I swapped out a 850HP holley and threw on a old 9375 1050 3 circuit dominator and the car picked up more than I would have ever dreamed.

That carb looks like a 850 Speed Demon Correct?
I know BG likes to select and choice carbs based solely on camshaft overlap, and engine size. But to say it flat out wont work is a bold statement. Im sure this will get technical with dynamic flow property jargon, how low vacuum signal will not emulsify the fuel properly etc...But the fact is people have been doing just this for decades with Holley carbs, myself included.
Care to explain?

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I solute you for what your trying to do....
Thanks
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The poster has been told both by myself and the tech he spoke with yesterday that this carb is too big for his 440 as it will flow over 1000 cfm.

It is NOT going to run right on this combination regardless of tuning and belongs on something 500 inches or larger to which we were told that they would post we did not fix the carb. Go ahead as I believe we have gone way above what was required to begin with in this situation.

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You care to explain why? I personally have run much larger carbs than this on a 440, and picked up a ton.
This past weekend I swapped out a 850HP holley and threw on a old 9375 1050 3 circuit dominator and the car picked up more than I would have ever dreamed.

That carb looks like a 850 Speed Demon Correct?
I know BG likes to select and choice carbs based solely on camshaft overlap, and engine size. But to say it flat out wont work is a bold statement. Im sure this will get technical with dynamic flow property jargon, how low vacuum signal will not emulsify the fuel properly etc...But the fact is people have been doing just this for decades with Holley carbs, myself included.
Care to explain?

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I solute you for what your trying to do....
Thanks
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The poster has been told both by myself and the tech he spoke with yesterday that this carb is too big for his 440 as it will flow over 1000 cfm.

It is NOT going to run right on this combination regardless of tuning and belongs on something 500 inches or larger to which we were told that they would post we did not fix the carb. Go ahead as I believe we have gone way above what was required to begin with in this situation.

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You care to explain why? I personally have run much larger carbs than this on a 440, and picked up a ton.
This past weekend I swapped out a 850HP holley and threw on a old 9375 1050 3 circuit dominator and the car picked up more than I would have ever dreamed.

That carb looks like a 850 Speed Demon Correct?
I know BG likes to select and choice carbs based solely on camshaft overlap, and engine size. But to say it flat out wont work is a bold statement. Im sure this will get technical with dynamic flow property jargon, how low vacuum signal will not emulsify the fuel properly etc...But the fact is people have been doing just this for decades with Holley carbs, myself included.
Care to explain?

BTW
I solute you for what your trying to do....
Thanks
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The poster has been told both by myself and the tech he spoke with yesterday that this carb is too big for his 440 as it will flow over 1000 cfm.

It is NOT going to run right on this combination regardless of tuning and belongs on something 500 inches or larger to which we were told that they would post we did not fix the carb. Go ahead as I believe we have gone way above what was required to begin with in this situation.

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You care to explain why? I personally have run much larger carbs than this on a 440, and picked up a ton.
This past weekend I swapped out a 850HP holley and threw on a old 9375 1050 3 circuit dominator and the car picked up more than I would have ever dreamed.

That carb looks like a 850 Speed Demon Correct?
I know BG likes to select and choice carbs based solely on camshaft overlap, and engine size. But to say it flat out wont work is a bold statement. Im sure this will get technical with dynamic flow property jargon, how low vacuum signal will not emulsify the fuel properly etc...But the fact is people have been doing just this for decades with Holley carbs, myself included.
Care to explain?

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I solute you for what your trying to do....
Thanks
Bob

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