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Re: common courtesy
[Re: ben1692]
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09/29/09 07:15 AM
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I have to agree with my racer freind Mopar Mafia Racing member.. Double bulbing are for the week rookie racer that does not know how to stage or run his/her car.  Thinking if I stage first I will get their 1st... WRONG They will go RED  waiting until I get their to do whats right Pre-Stage / Stage then .005 his but all day long. Double bulbing stagers are those racers that either had a mistake at the light or just playing games.. You have to keep your game face on until the light comes on at the end of the track.  Most of us that are in the Quick races never see a driver double bulb unless it was a mistake as I said.. It's in the super pro /Pro classes is where you get the staging bandits.. Like this past weekend at Norwalk when then let a 14 second car in the super pro bracket because he had a (box) racing agaist 9 second cars.. Give the green street tire car credit he did drive the car but he was a staging a...h..to the other drivers.  Well to all just stage the car with common curtesy!!!!. Mopar Mafia Racing... 
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Hemi_Joel]
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09/29/09 09:20 AM
09/29/09 09:20 AM
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OK, I know how to courtesy stage, and I always do, but what is the big deal about it? I guess I haven't really thought it through enuff; if somebody double bulbs, how does that hurt his opponent? When it happens to me, I just take my normal time, go up and pre-stage, stage, then race. 
What I don't like is getting burned down by some one who is pre-staged, but then won't stage promptly once I'm in. But that's part of the game, gotta stay focused on the tree and ignore the other racer. 
 My routine stay's the same. Don't care what the other driver does. I do courtesy stage though - If I go in first.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Lil Demon]
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09/29/09 10:33 AM
09/29/09 10:33 AM
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I agree double bulbing intentionally is NOT cool.
When I read that there was a 14 second car in Super Pro at a recent race I wondered why that was allowed. I think the rulebook is pretty clear that Super Pro has an 11.99 cut off. Heck Pro is 13.99, I think I would be more concenred the track allowed that rules infraction than anything else.
I have been double bulbed many times while bracket racing. It has happened a good deal this year, guess it goes with a faster car, maybe they feel there is an advantage to doing it? I guess from playing college sports I learned to not get caught in routines, you have to be able to react and adapt to different situations. not everything works like it does in practice. So when it happens to me I will generally just slow way down. I will happily let them wait there, I have even had the starter get mad at me three different times this year and wave me in while I wait. When that happens I will slowly start to move forward. I only do it becuase I feel courtesy staging means something and should be followed. So if I get double bulbed I feel that courtesy is out the window and figure two can play that game. It does not throw me off if you do it, but be prepard to sit there as long as they will allow me to or til my heap gets hot, which takes a LONG time.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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09/29/09 10:34 AM
09/29/09 10:34 AM
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Fred, I think the rulebook is pretty clear about that as well. If both cars leave before the tree is activated then both are disqulaified, UNLESS it is a final round. Then they have a re-run unless it is clearly established who left first, in other words you are gonna re-run the round.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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09/29/09 10:42 AM
09/29/09 10:42 AM
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I agree double bulbing intentionally is NOT cool.
When I read that there was a 14 second car in Super Pro at a recent race I wondered why that was allowed.
Its was a BOX race and no/Box race. not super pro... He was in Box
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: VernMotor]
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09/29/09 10:48 AM
09/29/09 10:48 AM
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Al_Alguire
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Be nice if there were some continuity on the rules and classes around the country, at least at NHRA tracks. Out here if you have a box it is Super Pro. We dont have box/no box, we use the classes in the NHRA rulebook thus we have Super Pro, Pro, Sportsman, and M/C and High School. just like the classes that will compete in Pomona for a "world champ" at the finals. How safe can it be to have a 14 second car running against a car that can go 185+...not something I would want to see much for sure.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: ben1692]
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09/29/09 10:50 AM
09/29/09 10:50 AM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
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to all the people who double bulb there fellow racer you should kick yourself and go home immediatly. its not nice and you should sit there forever. dont be that guy.  and you all know who you are
Also all you "take your time" timers get in the 2nd beam sometime this year.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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09/29/09 12:08 PM
09/29/09 12:08 PM
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to all the people who double bulb there fellow racer you should kick yourself and go home immediatly. its not nice and you should sit there forever. dont be that guy. and you all know who you are
Also all you "take your time" timers get in the 2nd beam sometime this year.
No need to rush...
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Hemi_Joel]
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09/29/09 12:13 PM
09/29/09 12:13 PM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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OK, I know how to courtesy stage, and I always do, but what is the big deal about it? I guess I haven't really thought it through enuff; if somebody double bulbs, how does that hurt his opponent? When it happens to me, I just take my normal time, go up and pre-stage, stage, then race.
What I don't like is getting burned down by some one who is pre-staged, but then won't stage promptly once I'm in. But that's part of the game, gotta stay focused on the tree and ignore the other racer.
I never even think about it. When I drive a race car, I am a robot. My crew leaves me alone and my mind is on my side of the tree 150%. I try not to even think about it when it happens and do my own thing the same everytime.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: ben1692]
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09/29/09 12:24 PM
09/29/09 12:24 PM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
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whos worst double bulbers or take your timers? 
time takers, especially the ones that think it's going to phase me/people. Seems like most of them run one of those "killer" 13 second cameros.
I don't double bulb, but again, I'm going to run my race what you do isn't going to phase me. I have been know to roll it in deep as you are braking the 2nd beam if you take to long. That seems to throw some people off enough for them to go red.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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09/29/09 12:34 PM
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The intent on dubble bulbing is to make the other person get out of his "normal" routine. And those that do the "burn down" or anything different because of the opponent dubble bulbing is doing exactly what they wanted you to do! There is also no difference if he prestages first and as soon as you prestage, he final stages immediately. You have plenty of time to do whatever while he is final staged and you are getting ready to prestage. All this is my opinion of course. And with that said, I always courtesy stage! 
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: ben1692]
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09/29/09 12:37 PM
09/29/09 12:37 PM
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whos worst double bulbers or take your timers?
Don't bother me any, I can sit there all day either way.
what about when you are running someone that prestages, brings it up on convertor and bumps it in, are you going to rush right in? I know what I do. I like to take my time, I don't get carried away though; prestage, take a few breaths, pick my spot on the other car, once over the guages, shifter and fuel shut-off, and bump it in.
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Re: common courtesy
[Re: HotRodDave]
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09/29/09 12:42 PM
09/29/09 12:42 PM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
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whos worst double bulbers or take your timers?
Take your timers are worse.
When they are farting around waiting for there motor to "get hot" they are not only holding up the guy on the other side but every single other person at the track! Do your burn out and get up there and ready to go for petes sake! Any of the "auto timers" or whatever still give you plenty of time to get there before they are going to DQ your slow butt so do your burnout and get up there. Nothing like being a spectator and waiting for some stupid mind games to go on that the other guy could care less about
I know not how bad it gets some guys pink panties in a wad so I generally don't do it unless the other guy is just screwing around any how then I go on and turn both of em on 
I have been in 2 races where the starter dropped the lights after waving the guy foreward. Whoops not staged you lose.
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