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Re: Have the Repro Mopar Batteries gotten any better? [Re: 1MYTGTX] #48133
11/19/07 07:01 PM
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Does the tech archive have the post about gutting the old repo, and installing a smaller batt into the shell?




I got 6 years 8 months out of my lead acid resto battery and it was still going (although it started dying if I didn't use the car for a week..thats why I did this....)




I checked the archives, and still couldn't find the new battery into old shell trick. I had considered that, but without some instruction, I didn't want to cut the battery apart. Could I get some help with that please?
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...years ago, I also worried about "show batteries"......the solution was to purchase the empty case only, just a fake battery....it was light to carry in the trunk, didn't leak, NEVER was dead.....at a show, I would unplug the daily driver battery and plug in the show battery.....still have them 15 years later and they still look brand new

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how is that odyssey battery held in place, i am going to try it this weekend, i have 3 batteries to do.




The battery is held in there by the plexiglas on the bottom & I have since stuffed styrofoam on the sides to prevent the side to side movement.

Basically, to gut the battery you need a large metal pail, baking soda, fresh water, long heavy rubber gloves, face shield, eye protection etc....

Small disclaimer....

YOU ARE DEALING WITH HIGHLY CORROSIVE BATTERY ACID
PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK
I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS


I drilled holes at the bottom of the case to drain as much of the acid as possible. I work in a bus maintenance facility that has provisions for acid battery flushing & washing so this step was easy for me.

After throughly neutralizing the battery as much as possible (the glass matting will still hold acid) I figured I would try to cut a square out of the bottom of the case & all the guts would fall out....NOT!
The case is molded with plastic separators built into it to separate each cell.
I have heard others cutting the top of the battery off but I wanted to hide this battery as best as possible & I didn't want any potentially visible seams.
Secondly, the case is VERY thick plastic on the bottom & fairly thin on the sides. You have to be careful not to crack the side of the case when you are breaking out the plastic separators molded inside.
I used a whizz wheel for this along with a good dust mask because you WILL be black when you finish cutting the bottom out cell by cell.

Starting at one side of the case, after the bottom of the cell is cut out, each glass mat is separated by a lead plate which is attached to lead lugs at the top of the battery. There are aprox 6 lead plates & mats per cell. These have to be wiggled & broken off the lugs to remove. AGAIN WEAR HEAVY NEOPRENE ACID RESISTANT GLOVES!!

After removing all the plates & mats in one cell, break out the plastic separators, cut out the bottom of the next cell & move on till they are all out.
Wash out the case & then proceed to take out all the lead plate retaining lugs except for the 2 that the posts connect to. You have to take the others out to fit the new battery in the case. I used a Dremel tool with a small cut off wheel to cut through the lead.

Lastly drill out a hole in each post lug & make up some short battery cables to connect the new battery to.

Sorry I don't have any pics of the messy gutting procedure but here is a pic of the case that shows what I mean by the molded in separators & the lugs as well as the small battery cables I made ...

Hopefully this helps


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Here is a comparison shot of the size of these batteries

Re: Have the Repro Mopar Batteries gotten any better? [Re: 1MYTGTX] #48137
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Here is a close up of the post terminal & small cable.

You can see the molded in plastic separators I had to carefully break out with pliers etc....

Clicking the word "attachment" above makes the pics a bit bigger,,,

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Where are you guys buying your batteries from?? seems like I bought one directly from Newcastle before and it was alot cheaper but I cannot find there contact info anymore....Thanks

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NEWCASTLE is out of business.

this is great information thankyou.

i'll be doing it this weekend.

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Thanks very much, that's just what I was looking for. I would have also expected the whole shooting match to be removed from the bottom of the battery. Another thing I considered was utilizing a new battery, and poking the "+" and "-" terminals through the holes vacated by the guts of the old battery. Again, your photos make your way seem a bit more sensible. My retro battery slightly shitted up the inside of my hood because of the venting, which was the reason I removed it in the first place. I guess the first thing I should do before any cutting would be to drain it and refill with baking soda and fresh water, is that correct? Thanks again for the help.

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i need 3 maintenence free mopar batteries, 1 group 24 with yellow tops and 2 group 27 red tops.
does anyone know if they have gotten any better or do they still stink, i cant keep buying these things.
i just bought a Napa battery for a 1/3 of the price 1125 CCAMPS at 32 degrees.




I have had my Group 27 battery for 4 years now with now problems.

You have asked about this before, is there still a problem???


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I have that exact same battery in my Moto Guzzi Motorcycle and it is just amazing how much cranking power is in it for the size. These batteries hold 95% of their charge over long periods of time which is perfect for show cars. Great job!
Barry

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This would be nice to save in the tech archive

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Thanks 6T9_CHARGER_RT , I too wondered just how this trick was done.


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New Castle is still in business. I have used their batteries in many cars. I now have one of their "sealed" versions in my '72.

http://www.turbostart.com/

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Re: Have the Repro Mopar Batteries gotten any better? [Re: MattMPA] #48146
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Hey Matt, Just say the article/pics of your scamp in the AACA magazine. Wish my dart was that nice.

Ted Sweet

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Thanks 05dakota!

Re: Have the Repro Mopar Batteries gotten any better? [Re: MattMPA] #48148
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we have met before, I had my 68 300 convertible @ the NCPC meet in Stranton and my 66 Newport 2 dr HT @ the Princeton meet.

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Is there anybody selling the empty battery cases to convert to an Optima battery, or do you have to buy a repop lead acid one and wait for it to die first. I know the battery places sell repops that have something like the Optima battery inside, but they're sealed. Anyone had one of those apart once the battery died? Can they easily be used as a cover for an Optima once that one dies?

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I think Paddock sells the empty cases.

Darren

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nope, just the Toppers that dont fit most batteries made today

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I just put in a maintence free battery, in my A12 SuperBee. I got a group 24, with green caps.
As I understand came these cars stock, with group 24, becuase they where 383 cars, from the start.
And the group 27, was an option.
Right ?
Next time, I get a group 27, it looks better.

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