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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: MrNormsTA]
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You guys ever going to show us a car or just every nut and bolt and every component that was restored.  
Mr. Norm, if you read my previous post, i mentioned that the component pics were a diversion until Tim got a chance to post some pics of the car. The thread was sitting idle for to long, that is why I started to post other pics. Sorry. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
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Door was replated, housing cleaned, new gasket by DMT, hardware replated and new correct rivets installed.
Heater box looks great!! What do you use for the rivets?
Cheers. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 70RT27N]
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07/16/10 11:19 PM
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Door was replated, housing cleaned, new gasket by DMT, hardware replated and new correct rivets installed.
Heater box looks great!! What do you use for the rivets?
Cheers.
Thanks, to answer your question about the rivets. When they were removed I brought them to Rapid Rivet and they matched them up. I had to get a hand rivet squeezer tool to install them. They are hollow rivets. When I get a chance I will get you a pic of the tool.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: hotairballoonpilot]
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07/16/10 11:35 PM
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You guys ever going to show us a car or just every nut and bolt and every component that was restored.
Mr. Norm, if you read my previous post, i mentioned that the component pics were a diversion until Tim got a chance to post some pics of the car. The thread was sitting idle for to long, that is why I started to post other pics. Sorry.
I see no problem with it just wondering when he will post pics of the car, Seems like he was very up front saying they didn't mess around and got stuff done. I know what it like to be side tracked on jobs but I try not to say it that way I don't eat my words. I am sure it looks great but I was affraid when he started posting that he'd eat his words that it would be done very fast. Seems like you don't see anything from him so I bet others are wondering what is going on. Alan I am sure would love to know.
I am sure Alan would love to know whats going on. The truth is that the big delay was on my end and Tim is not to be blamed. The car was painted months ago. We were waiting on parts and that was a big holdup during assembly. The car was actually done, then I wanted them to reshoot the bottom of the car in the more correct LA black primer. This caused a lot of extra work and I am sorry to Tim and the crew for the change but they came through and did it right. Everything came off the bottom including the engine because they did not want to go back and touch things up if overspray occured. As of today, suspension and motor are back in the car. They are taking care of some last minute details so be on the lookout for some updates. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
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07/17/10 01:15 AM
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Door was replated, housing cleaned, new gasket by DMT, hardware replated and new correct rivets installed.
Heater box looks great!! What do you use for the rivets?
Cheers.
Moparts member 1970mopar also sells the correct rivets. I bought several sets from him before.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: scatcity]
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07/17/10 07:23 AM
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Mike, without having to re-read 9 pages of this post, I'm just curious as to what gear ratio you're running out back on your Super Track Pak 'Cuda ?
Tom,
It was fun driving the car with 4.10 but when going 30 mph at 4000rpms, LOL, I decided either put an 8 speed in or change the gears. I went with the lowering the gear with a Dana 3.54 ring and pinion. See you tonite at BK.
Mike
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
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Door was replated, housing cleaned, new gasket by DMT, hardware replated and new correct rivets installed.
Heater box looks great!! What do you use for the rivets?
Cheers.
Moparts member 1970mopar also sells the correct rivets. I bought several sets from him before.
Thanks Barnabas 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 70plymA34]
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09/03/10 10:31 AM
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That's crazy amount of time to be waiting...
I hope for Tim's sake that he's keeping busy with other projects, otherwise he's not going to have too many takers on his $25K deal if it take years to turn out a car !
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
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09/03/10 01:13 PM
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That's crazy amount of time to be waiting...
I hope for Tim's sake that he's keeping busy with other projects, otherwise he's not going to have too many takers on his $25K deal if it take years to turn out a car !
I just spoke with a Moparts member who wanted to get his car into Tim's shop, he said he recently talked with Tim and there is a waiting list, sound's like Tim is very busy!
I believe this project ended up taking much longer then originally planned because the level of the restoration was raised/changed during the restoration by the owner. More correct OE and NOS parts were decided to be used instead of more readily available reproduction parts, also some corrections were made during the restoration/changing the bottom primer color to the more accepted LA dark gray primer. All of these changes added a lot of time to the restoration.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
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09/03/10 05:10 PM
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I know what it is like to have the directions change on a resto too. Parts waiting for,change of this or that or bad parts ect ect ect. Those things happen more times than not. The thing that upsets me is that usually the ones to be blamed are the shops. The old body shop prison story. I am sure things are going good for Tim and I wish him the best of luck. I hope he comes on here and does some PR work or what he said before about things flying through in a timely manor will come back to haunt him in the end.
Good Luck
Oh and how are the updates on the R/T and the runner convertible going too?
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: hotairballoonpilot]
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09/03/10 07:58 PM
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Hello again! I'm very sorry for staying away so long. In short, as the customer wrote above, the car was virtually finished months ago when we agreed to redo the bottom in the darker primer. What we didn't fully realize at the time was that the car would have to come all the way back apart in order to do it properly. As some of you already know, it takes about 10x longer when you are pulling off all new or reconditioned/refinished parts and don't want to mess them up. Well guess what? They get messed up anyway and most have to be refinished again. Ever try to remove NOS, dated exhaust after it's been freshly clamped into place? Hint - it has to come off in one piece. Then you have to cut the primer in every crevace before recoating in the darker color. Finally you get to put everything back together. Well, no matter that we took every precaution, we still dinged up a few pieces. As of today, Mike found a scratch on the fender while doing the final, final hand glazing. No big deal, just mask the entire car and take it back to the paint booth for another fun week. One thing is for sure, we'll never do this again. The customer has been great and we really don't mind swapping parts until we get the right ones. But it has taken us longer to "redo the primer on the bottom" than it did to do the full restoration on the car. Yes, we now have more work than we can handle but part of that is because Hubert snuck off and got married to a woman 30 yrs his junior. He used to run Mike and I around in circles with his high energy but now that energy is spent on something else. For the most part, our Moparts customers have been Moparlicious. This one is almost done. The RR is coming along and the R/T is going home unfinished due to a change in priorities by the customer. On the other hand, our recent experiences tell us that Chevy and Ford guys tend to run out of money mid-stream, even though we are working on a fixed bid with scheduled payments that we are almost always late requesting. Also, in our experience, 100% of Pontiac customers get thrown in jail for a year right in the middle of a resto. We've been fortunate enough to enter into contracts with some guys from Brazil. These guys know how to make decisions, commit the total investment in advance - no, that doesn't mean they pay in advance but it does mean that they have all of the money up front and agree not to spend it on someting else like vacations and parts that cost more than the car. Between the good customers we now have and the cars that I have to be restored and ultimately sold, we are not taking any new customers at this time or in the forseeable future. I'm way off the subject now but we'll continue to post Mopar restos here AND I'll offer the cars I'm selling first to our established customers, then on Moparts before finally taking them to Mecum auctions, from which, they will not return. These are the only places my cars will be sold and we're doing Hemi cars first.  Thanks to all for your understanding and support.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: cloneguy]
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09/04/10 11:00 AM
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Hello again! I'm very sorry for staying away so long.
In short, as the customer wrote above, the car was virtually finished months ago when we agreed to redo the bottom in the darker primer.
What we didn't fully realize at the time was that the car would have to come all the way back apart in order to do it properly.
As some of you already know, it takes about 10x longer when you are pulling off all new or reconditioned/refinished parts and don't want to mess them up. Well guess what? They get messed up anyway and most have to be refinished again. Ever try to remove NOS, dated exhaust after it's been freshly clamped into place? Hint - it has to come off in one piece.
Then you have to cut the primer in every crevace before recoating in the darker color. Finally you get to put everything back together.
Well, no matter that we took every precaution, we still dinged up a few pieces.
As of today, Mike found a scratch on the fender while doing the final, final hand glazing.
No big deal, just mask the entire car and take it back to the paint booth for another fun week.
One thing is for sure, we'll never do this again. The customer has been great and we really don't mind swapping parts until we get the right ones. But it has taken us longer to "redo the primer on the bottom" than it did to do the full restoration on the car.
Yes, we now have more work than we can handle but part of that is because Hubert snuck off and got married to a woman 30 yrs his junior. He used to run Mike and I around in circles with his high energy but now that energy is spent on something else.
For the most part, our Moparts customers have been Moparlicious. This one is almost done. The RR is coming along and the R/T is going home unfinished due to a change in priorities by the customer.
On the other hand, our recent experiences tell us that Chevy and Ford guys tend to run out of money mid-stream, even though we are working on a fixed bid with scheduled payments that we are almost always late requesting. Also, in our experience, 100% of Pontiac customers get thrown in jail for a year right in the middle of a resto.
We've been fortunate enough to enter into contracts with some guys from Brazil. These guys know how to make decisions, commit the total investment in advance - no, that doesn't mean they pay in advance but it does mean that they have all of the money up front and agree not to spend it on someting else like vacations and parts that cost more than the car.
Between the good customers we now have and the cars that I have to be restored and ultimately sold, we are not taking any new customers at this time or in the forseeable future.
I'm way off the subject now but we'll continue to post Mopar restos here AND I'll offer the cars I'm selling first to our established customers, then on Moparts before finally taking them to Mecum auctions, from which, they will not return.
These are the only places my cars will be sold and we're doing Hemi cars first.
Thanks to all for your understanding and support.
Interesting post. To me it sounds like you are having issues with customers stiffing you for work and then you keeping the cars for the lost payments. Is that true? If so you talk about a contract. Is that part of the contract in they don't pay you get the car? Kind of like a mechanics lien? I know what you are talking about having people taking awhile to pay. Thankfully we have never gotten stiffed on a bill and hope to never be. As far as the feelings on the furd,cheby and potyake owners sorry that has happened to you. In our area the only ones we ever have had problems with has been menanites that have left the farm or are still on the farm but still have that mind set of they set the prices on everything. Thankfully they are just been small fender benders and we set tha price just the same as other street jobs. If they want the work done by us then great if not we are better to let them go take it to someone else who will cut thier living to make a few bucks. Not us. I don't do this work for the health of it. If any of us did then there would be hardly any bodymen left in the world!
Good luck in the future on where the road leads your business.
corey
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: hotairballoonpilot]
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09/05/10 10:48 PM
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No, no and heck no! We don't hold cars for ransom and we don't want anyone else's cars. I know I wasn't clear in my post that I own a bunch of cars that need to be restored, as many as forty but, I'm not sure I came close to implying that we were lien selling customer cars either. The fact is that I own so many, I'll never be able to get them all done in my lifetime. We are in the enviable position of needing very few customers, actually none if we restore my cars to sell, and we have decided to take advantage of that. We're still finishing the restos we have for the people with financial difficulties, once they can afford to resume. And, we're keeping the quick paying customers who have a need for multiple restorations. We might also take new customers if they are referred by our repeat customers. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: cloneguy]
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09/05/10 10:58 PM
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ok I guess I think I follow were you are going with this. Interested what others take on this.
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