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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: RJS]
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01/01/10 11:47 AM
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Isn't that a drum brake master cylinder?  I could be wrong, but .... 1970 power drum brakes e-bodies had black painted boosters and "natural" master cylinders. The drum brake master cylinder should have the bolt on cap NOT the bail-wire captured cap.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: RJS]
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01/01/10 11:50 AM
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NORTHERN VA
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Could you list EXACTLY what was done to your trans to warrant that cost???
I had Frank and his bodyman visit me last year for an estemate to finish my Challenger body (after the metalcrafting was done at another shop ) and to just finish the paint and bodywork he was talkin $45-$50k PLUS 6K to 7K for materials !! I have no idea where he gets his prices. In your case, he probally sent the tranny to Passons and detailed it when he got it back. Frank is great at getting the details correct but I doubt if he even touched the inside of your trans. That price is just stupid high. Next time send it to Brewers or Passons and do the detailing yourself. BTW, get out the vinigar and dip those front rotors already. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 6bblgt]
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01/01/10 11:54 AM
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Isn't that a drum brake master cylinder?
I could be wrong, but ....
1970 power drum brakes e-bodies had black painted boosters and "natural" master cylinders.
The drum brake master cylinder should have the bolt on cap NOT the bail-wire captured cap.
the car came stock with drums in the rear and discs in the front
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 6bblgt]
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01/01/10 11:56 AM
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I could be wrong, but ....
1970 power drum brakes e-bodies had black painted boosters and "natural" master cylinders.
The master cylinder should have the bolt on cap NOT the bail-wire captured cap.
Is this not a disk brake car ? The master in the pic above looks like a drum brake master ??
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: THESHAKERPROJECT]
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01/01/10 11:56 AM
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Could you list EXACTLY what was done to your trans to warrant that cost???
I had Frank and his bodyman visit me last year for an estemate to finish my Challenger body (after the metalcrafting was done at another shop ) and to just finish the paint and bodywork he was talkin $45-$50k PLUS 6K to 7K for materials !! I have no idea where he gets his prices. In your case, he probally sent the tranny to Passons and detailed it when he got it back. Frank is great at getting the details correct but I doubt if he even touched the inside of your trans. That price is just stupid high. Next time send it to Brewers or Passons and do the detailing yourself. BTW, get out the vinigar and dip those front rotors already.
When you have national notoriety on these restos like he does, I guess that means you can charge whatever you want., LOL. Again and again, lesson learned.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: anlauto]
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01/01/10 12:01 PM
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Georgetown Ontario Canada
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Ok...I won't question the cost, or even the level of detail. I'm a hugh fan of Frank/Roger's work. However: What "plating" are we talking about on a 4 spd transmission?  Here's a picture of one I did awhile back... It cost about $700 to have a new brass & seal kit installed by a reputable tranny shop, and then I detailed it my self.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 70plymA34]
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01/01/10 12:15 PM
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Again and again, lesson learned.
Hello,
Lesson learned should be, "never to disclose what it costs on Moparts or to anyone".
lol
Your car will be very nice when done! Congrats 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 70plymA34]
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01/01/10 12:45 PM
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Isn't that a drum brake master cylinder?
I could be wrong, but ....
1970 power drum brakes e-bodies had black painted boosters and "natural" master cylinders.
The drum brake master cylinder should have the bolt on cap NOT the bail-wire captured cap.
the car came stock with drums in the rear and disc's in the front
You have the wrong master cylinder. You need one for disc brakes, casting number should be 2229171.
Courtesy of Mastershake340.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: anlauto]
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01/01/10 01:30 PM
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Ok...I won't question the cost, or even the level of detail. I'm a hugh fan of Frank/Roger's work.
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What "plating" are we talking about on a 4 spd transmission?
Here's a picture of one I did awhile back...
It cost about $700 to have a new brass & seal kit installed by a reputable tranny shop, and then I detailed it my self.
alan,
this is why i have to upload the receipts so you can nickel and dime this thing to death. i appreciate your info when it comes along. Obviously you can do it cheaper because restorations are your living. (I assume). Now that I have this knowledge, I can do this differently next time when I start the next one. Frank did not send the trans to Passons or Brewers. It went to Performance Counts Automotive in Virginia. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: Snoopy]
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01/01/10 01:35 PM
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The Moparts jury is still out on some of the details here but in defense of the owner, I want to state the following: 1) This is an LA built car and I think we've all seen some discrepancies on those cars. 2) The current owner is still in touch with the original owner, who has great info as to what is and is not original on this low mile car. 3) The owner has detailed photos of everything before the car was disassembled. 4) Almost everything, even the hoses were original on this car when the resto began. 5) Right or wrong, we believe this is the original master that this car was built with and it wasn't the black one. 6) The original fuel pump did not have overspray. 7) Everything might not be per spec but it is being restored, to the best of our abilities, they way we believe it was originally built. 8) THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT.  If he decides he wants us to overspray the fuel pump or install a diferent master, we'll do it at no extra charge.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: cloneguy]
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01/01/10 02:44 PM
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One important fact to remember when restoring anybody's 70 Cuda is that these are 40 year old cars. Parts got changed out all the time reguardless of how many owners it had or how many pictures were taken. In the case of where an item is different then the norm (by that I mean the normal ones found and generally accepted by the judging public) without some sort of ROCK BOTTOM evidence (ie: pictures taken when the car was BRAND NEW)then it's in the best interest of the person(s) restoring the car to follow the norm. For example...Lets say the previous owner had a picture of this car taking in 1971 and it clearly had that style of master cylinder on it, and to the best of his 40 year old memory, he can't remember it ever being changed.....THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT CORRECT. I cannot argue that it's not correct as much as he can not argue that is is. THEREFORE: The best option is to use the master cylinder that all the parts books say is correct and all the people viewing or judging the car say is correct and paint it the way that is most accepted as being correct. As far as my understanding goes the crimpped style booster (midland ross I believe) all arrived assembled at the factory with the master cylinder and check valve, the entire unit was painted black together as an assembly. When I state that things are "wrong" ...I'm referring to things being against the "norm" I'm sure there're variables I'm only trying to help Tim and his gang restore the best Cuda they can.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 340dart4spd ]
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01/01/10 05:20 PM
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it was not cheap but supposedly he is one of the best out there and since my motor was done already I wanted the trans to be as nice. the whole trans job cost around $2400 and yes I think it was a little expensive.
WOW... I personaly think you could have had 3 of maybe even 4 at that price...... What did he replace every single piece in it.....
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Frank or no Frank thats absolutely ridiculous unless you you specifically asked for an all out competition transmission. I mean Geezus I know who to avoid. (mental note made here)
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: gomangoRTSE]
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01/01/10 05:28 PM
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it was not cheap but supposedly he is one of the best out there and since my motor was done already I wanted the trans to be as nice. the whole trans job cost around $2400 and yes I think it was a little expensive.
WOW... I personaly think you could have had 3 of maybe even 4 at that price...... What did he replace every single piece in it.....
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Frank or no Frank thats absolutely ridiculous unless you you specifically asked for an all out competition transmission. I mean Geezus I know who to avoid. (mental note made here)
Who are you refering to in this post.. his or mine
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: anlauto]
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01/01/10 05:29 PM
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One important fact to remember when restoring anybody's 70 Cuda is that these are 40 year old cars. Parts got changed out all the time reguardless of how many owners it had or how many pictures were taken.
In the case of where an item is different then the norm (by that I mean the normal ones found and generally accepted by the judging public) without some sort of ROCK BOTTOM evidence (ie: pictures taken when the car was BRAND NEW)then it's in the best interest of the person(s) restoring the car to follow the norm.
For example...Lets say the previous owner had a picture of this car taking in 1971 and it clearly had that style of master cylinder on it, and to the best of his 40 year old memory, he can't remember it ever being changed.....THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT CORRECT.
I cannot argue that it's not correct as much as he can not argue that is is.
THEREFORE: The best option is to use the master cylinder that all the parts books say is correct and all the people viewing or judging the car say is correct and paint it the way that is most accepted as being correct.
As far as my understanding goes the crimpped style booster (midland ross I believe) all arrived assembled at the factory with the master cylinder and check valve, the entire unit was painted black together as an assembly.
When I state that things are "wrong" ...I'm referring to things being against the "norm" I'm sure there're variables
I'm only trying to help Tim and his gang restore the best Cuda they can.
And we do appreciate the help!
I still get a chuckle about those brakes now and then and probably will every time we do another front end!
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: 340dart4spd ]
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01/01/10 05:37 PM
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it was not cheap but supposedly he is one of the best out there and since my motor was done already I wanted the trans to be as nice. the whole trans job cost around $2400 and yes I think it was a little expensive.
WOW... I personaly think you could have had 3 of maybe even 4 at that price...... What did he replace every single piece in it.....
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Frank or no Frank thats absolutely ridiculous unless you you specifically asked for an all out competition transmission. I mean Geezus I know who to avoid. (mental note made here)
Who are you refering to in this post.. his or mine
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No, I was referring to the outrageous price for rebuilding the transmission. Ridiculous, and even if the case and/or linkages were correctly coated (plated) I dont see the value. Im not afraid to say it. I guess you pay $1600 or more for reputation nowadays. Buyer beware when the repairman and customer are not on the same page with a written estimate. Lesson learned to the rest of us.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise
[Re: anlauto]
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01/08/10 11:31 AM
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This thing done yet Tim....
Where's some pictures of the whole car?
Patience Alan.
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