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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: chrisf] #481234
10/03/09 11:09 PM
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2500, 25000 or 250000 the moparts bandwagon members are going to crawl all over you in no time and hack every detail.
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Yes it is unfortunate but I completely agree. There are 25000 hacks here. So many know it alls who will argue with you over every detail, and they will dog your restoration out over every marking, part, what was considered correct, accurate yada yada yada. I see this everytime someone wants to showcase their talent or wish to make a living for themselves or even simply show pride over their work.

In the end dont let so many derail you into defending your work. The more you feel you must answer every critic the more they will try to put you in your place.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #481235
10/04/09 08:29 AM
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I don't see how any machine could be powerful enough, hot enough or whatever enough to remove 1/2 inch thick undercoating but somehow not remove inspection markings.








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I would love to show you someday.

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Challenger 1, I followed your restoration for a period of time, and I think you did a truely wonderful resto. You have noted several times that you can remove your undercoating with a high pressure wash. I see you have a high quality pressure washer with the ability to get hi temperature spray. I borrowed a friends super high pressure washer (he spray washes tractor and trailers for a living). My California built Challenger must have had extremely thick undercoated as the high pressure washer scarcely removed a damn thing. I had to come back and use can stripper and straight edge blades and plastic scrapers to remove the undercoating.

I have no doubt of your claim, but did you do something to soften the undercoat B4 you used the high pressure washer???????





Yes I used gasoline spray to soften it up, only on the toughest parts. Most comes off the first time around with just heat, then I use a little gas on the second time around.
But I never said it was easy, to hold a wand at 200+ degrees 1" away or less and doing every square inch is not easy. It took 3 1/2 hours non stop just to do the bottem, but it was done with no scrape marks or gouges anywhere. It was completely clean ready for very light sand blasting so it didn't stress the metal. Check out these old threads if you haven't already.

And I'm NOT using the spray tip we use to wash trucks, I use the narrowest tip, not the one with just a hole in it. I think it's a 15 degree one, it would blow off paint if you tried it on your paint on your truck. My pressure washer has a steam valve that really get's it hot, hotter than 200 which is what does the job.
I'm only using light gasoline which evaporates very quickly with the steam and it does not kill my grass, been doing it for over 20 years in my back yard and all my grass is still alive. And I'm not breathing any bad fumes like you do with a torch and scraper.


To the OP: How is using a chemical stripper less intrusive to the enviroment and yourself than a little gas that evaporates before it goes anywhere? web page
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #481236
10/04/09 08:44 AM
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It's the temperture of the water and steam that does it, not the pressure. A normal high pressure washer won't do it.


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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: Challenger 1] #481237
10/05/09 09:11 AM
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It seems i had the same undercoating on my 69 road runner as in your pics, the car looks great! I decided that if it kept the body that nice after 40 years i'd leave it on. If it lasts another 40 i'll be 99.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: belv2vert66] #481238
10/05/09 03:32 PM
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It's been a week or so..... any updated pics ?




My 83 y.o. dad broke his hip and I've been out dealing with all of that. The resto is progressing but I'm the only one who knows how to work the computer.

I'll be back posting as soon as time allows.

Sorry.


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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: Challenger 1] #481239
10/05/09 03:37 PM
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To the OP: How is using a chemical stripper less intrusive to the enviroment and yourself than a little gas that evaporates before it goes anywhere?




To answer your question, I have no idea which is better or worse. We don't make the rules, we just follow them or get screwed badly by The Man.

If you ever had to deal with an EPA or OSHA inspection, you wouldn't even ask.


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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: cloneguy] #481240
10/05/09 06:43 PM
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It's been a week or so..... any updated pics ?




My 83 y.o. dad broke his hip and I've been out dealing with all of that. The resto is progressing but I'm the only one who knows how to work the computer.

I'll be back posting as soon as time allows.

Sorry.




No problem Tim.....Sorry to hear about your Dad. Broken hip at that age is pretty tough business.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. #481241
10/05/09 06:46 PM
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Yes Tim, sorry to hear about your Dad....

How about the car's owner...Does he plan to chime in now, during the restoration, or share his experience only when the car's finished?
That's part of your deal correct?


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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: cloneguy] #481242
10/05/09 07:26 PM
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Man.

If you ever had to deal with an EPA or OSHA inspection, you wouldn't even ask.





Tim,

Wow so sorry to hear about your Dad. Family comes first, way before any dang car.

FYI I'm part owner with my brother and sister of a local oil company here in town with 24 employees. We are building a new under ground bulk plant as I type this. The only underground one in Cincy. We just replaced 2 30000 and 2 20000 gals tanks and have 2 more to go,6 total.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised. [Re: anlauto] #481243
10/06/09 11:04 AM
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Yes Tim, sorry to hear about your Dad....

How about the car's owner...Does he plan to chime in now, during the restoration, or share his experience only when the car's finished?
That's part of your deal correct?




Thanks to all of the well wishers.

All of the progress has been forwarded to the owner by photos so far. He is coming in person the end of this week to verify accurate colors, finishes, etc. and quality of work.

I'll ask him to give us a posting of anything he wants to say after he has seen the car in person.


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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: anlauto] #481244
10/11/09 03:10 PM
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I am the owner of this Cuda that Tim and his team are doing for me. They will we restoring it back to its original B7 blue finish. If you guys need any questions answered so far on the resto please send me a PM on Moparts. So far they have done an excellent job that is well documented from there end. I had a chance to visit Tim and his shop this past week to see my car. I also have extensive documentation of all parts before and after restoration that I have done or sent out. Jules D'addio out of Canada redid a lot of components as well as Mike Mancini from Instrument Specialties did my rallye cluster and some other small components. I would also like to recommend Mike Mancini if you guys need any OEM coatings. His paints are mixed as per original Ditzler formulas (dash frame paint, etc...). They are a dead match!!! Keep up the great work Tim, Hubert and Mike.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: 70plymA34] #481245
10/11/09 03:20 PM
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Guys, this what we started with before I disassembled 80% of the car and sent it to Tim.

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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: 70plymA34] #481246
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Ill try uploading this pic again

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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: 70plymA34] #481247
10/11/09 07:38 PM
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Hey Welcome to Moparts!!

Your car is in good hands, please keep us updated!

Resize your pictures to around 460x600 and it should work.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: Challenger 1] #481248
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also, I highly recommend Jim Ridge over at Dixie Restorations for alternator restos. His communication and restoration work are second to none.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: 70plymA34] #481249
10/13/09 02:36 PM
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also, I highly recommend Jim Ridge over at Dixie Restorations for alternator restos. His communication and restoration work are second to none.




That's fine, but since this is cloneguy post and clone guy doing the work, well leave him to posting the outside sources.

I'm eagerly watching this post tim and look forward to seeing this car done and driving. How your pops is doing? better better I hope. Keep up the good work!

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: migsBIG] #481250
10/13/09 02:42 PM
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also, I highly recommend Jim Ridge over at Dixie Restorations for alternator restos. His communication and restoration work are second to none.




That's fine, but since this is cloneguy post and clone guy doing the work, well leave him to posting the outside sources.

I'm eagerly watching this post tim and look forward to seeing this car done and driving. How your pops is doing? better better I hope. Keep up the good work!




But it's his car.

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: Challenger 1] #481251
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Tim has already stated that this particular car is going to come in under the $25K max and it seems the owner has done quite a bit of work himself getting the componets done elsewhere, so I can see how it would.

If I were a potential future customer, I would want more detailed info on 1)cost 2)time frame 3)quality/correctness

Are these three things being met?


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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: anlauto] #481252
10/14/09 07:58 AM
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Well it is a good thing that you included "quality" of the job your paying these guys to do in there. This much I know, if I had turned over my really nice and solid cuda or whatever the car may be, and saw pictures of a guy standing there with an acetylene torch in one hand heating each and every dent until it was bright red and then quenching it with a wet rag in the other hand I would be horrified and the job would have stopped right then and there. That is not proper body work in my book. Oh yeah and then there's the filing every one of them hard spots down until my once beautiful deck lid is now paper thin. I wasn't very impressed with using the needle scaler for the undercoating removal either. Looks like it pretty much ruined the guys floor pan too. I wish the customer the best of luck since he definitely decided to get a lot of his own parts done right! My two

Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promise [Re: QuickSilver] #481253
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this moparts page is vicious. the bottom line is that I have to look at this car for the rest of my time owning it, not any of you. I made the decision to send it to Tim because I needed a rotisserie paint job and to fix the minor imperfections in the body. SInce all of the other components were done either by myself or sent out the price seemed fair. I sent pics to a very well known MOPAR resto place in PA and he said $40,000 without even looking at the car. And this quote was for the best case scenario after paint removal.(no panel replacement, etc..) I am looking forward to this project being done and being able to drive this B7 Cuda once again.

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