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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: Challenger 1]
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09/28/09 06:51 PM
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cloneguy
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I don't see how any machine could be powerful enough, hot enough or whatever enough to remove 1/2 inch thick undercoating but somehow not remove inspection markings. 
I would love to show you someday. 
If I'm ever in your area, I'd love to stop by.
I've looked at your postings and I'm very impressed. But, with all due respect, you can't possibly believe that your work is average and that just "anyone" can do what you or we are doing.
You have to be one of the best home resto guys around. Every comment in your thread talks about how fast and great your work is.
That alone should tell you that not just "anyone" can do this at home. If they could, nobody would comment on your postings or mine. In fact, there would be no need for a Moparts board. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: cloneguy]
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09/28/09 07:20 PM
09/28/09 07:20 PM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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I don't see how any machine could be powerful enough, hot enough or whatever enough to remove 1/2 inch thick undercoating but somehow not remove inspection markings.
Hey Thanks for the compliments,
When you said you were gonna refinish it like they did at the factory, that peaked my interest.
I was only trying to convey the usefulness of a steam cleaner for getting the car clean fast for inspection and blasting. I have been able to remove all the undercoating and not disturb the paint and dipping marks. You can't really do that any other way that I know of.
I've been using a pressure washer like in my picture for over 20 years at work on everything you can imagine, mainly trucks, oil trucks. Greasey and oilly trucks.
But anyway it's a great deal that your offering for sure. Good luck to you. 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: cloneguy]
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09/28/09 07:49 PM
09/28/09 07:49 PM
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KY USA
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That alone should tell you that not just "anyone" can do this at home. If they could, nobody would comment on your postings or mine. In fact, there would be no need for a Moparts board.
Personally I have been doing a lot of the the resto work on my cars myself over the years and have learned a lot and enjoy it for the most part but I know a lot of car guys that either dont have the desire, time or skill level to do this stuff themselves. For a low overhead shop,I dont see 25k max labor as being too high at all. Theres still plenty more to spend on parts. I mean, how much do you really think most of these cars are really worth. Not everyone has a Hemi that needs an Aloha restoration. Dont know you Tim, but man, what the heck is up, all you wanted to do is post some progress pics and you got attacked!
68 Polara 500...LL1 Y7 M6X
69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X
69 A12 road runner....R4 R4 M6X
69 ModTop FLORAL Super Bee...F6 M6W
70 AAR 'cuda...EW1 EW1 H4X9
71 Duster 340...FJ6 V24 L6X9
71 road runner FC7 V1X M6X9
72 Rallye Charger B5 V1W
74 'cuda 360...KB5 V1X A6X9
08 SRT Challenger #234
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: cloneguy]
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09/28/09 08:19 PM
09/28/09 08:19 PM
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Houston Texas
PAINT IT BLACK
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We'll take yours as a vote of support.
We are a shop that advertises a $25k Max labor cost on a complete rotisserie restoration.
There are three schools of thought on Moparts.
1) The individuals, who do their own work say it is too expensive.
2) The shop owners, who do rotisserie restos for a living say that a good job can't be done that inexpensively.
3) Our customers, who love our work and are glad we are doing it.
$25K is definitely realistic. The shop that is doing my car did this one and to my knowledge the labor cost was under that amount. The car is AMAZING. The painted billboards are perfect, and the finish is like glass. It was your average 'Cuda before the build.
http://paintshop101.com/ps101_050.htm
The question here is not "can you do the job for under $25K". It is "How nice is is going to be"?
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: Challenger 1]
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09/28/09 08:30 PM
09/28/09 08:30 PM
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Not to hijack your post but check this out. These are the doors on my gold 71, they had two red paint jobs on top of the original GY8.
I blasted them with my steam cleaner and removed two layers of paint from all nooks and crevis.
Took less than a hour and these doors are stripped.Used a steam pressure washer, blew the 2 repaints off and left the primer on the outer doors and took it down to the original dip and GY8 paint on the jams. A little scuff pad action and the jams are ready for paint. There on my 71 below.
I wouldn't dream of refinishing a car without one.
That's all the paint that came off.
Holy Moley!!! If it strips paint that well, I'm definitely getting one!!!
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: PAINT IT BLACK]
#481222
09/28/09 08:32 PM
09/28/09 08:32 PM
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cloneguy
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The question here is not "can you do the job for under $25K". It is "How nice is is going to be"?
AGREED 100% - That's why we're posting the whole resto right here on this thread!!!
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: PAINT IT BLACK]
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09/28/09 09:01 PM
09/28/09 09:01 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
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The question here is not "can you do the job for under $25K". It is "How nice is is going to be"?
I think the real question is how nice do you need it to be. If you're a guy who gets anal about the trivial things like the correct color shade of annodized coatings on your hood latch, well then I'm thinking a shop like this is not for you. However if you want a clean, nice car that 99.9% of people would think is perfect, well then I could see 25k in labor covering it. Keeping in mind the total including parts and subbed out work would be much higher than that.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: Challenger 1]
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09/28/09 11:19 PM
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I think what Tim is offering is a great deal.... However, most people like myself get our panties in a bunch because of the simple fact that a correct complete restoration usually adds up to about 1000 man hours, meaning these guys are only paying themselves $25/hr.\, or they're spending a lot less time turning out a complete car. What's great is that they're happy with that...Heck each guy only works 14hrs a WEEK!  I'd be happy too To completly dis-mantle a car 100% and attend to every single nut and bolt takes time. If the actual "working man hours" comes in less then 1000 on a COMPLETE restoration then most people, myself included, would conclude that corners are being cut. When I think of the time it takes to dismantle just the heater box and correctly restore it, or the front suspension and brake assembly....or restoring the gauge cluster, carefully cleaning and detailing each gauge....There's just no way... However as I stated, I'm certain they're putting out a good quality = price product, and I can certainly appreciate that cause a lot of the people I do work for want me to keep the price as low as possible, with the quality as high as possible 
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: anlauto]
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09/29/09 07:53 AM
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Thanks for reminding me. We sub the gauges out too. I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten as well but they'll be covered as we continue to post on this resto. We do have other work too so, we actually put in a few more than 14 hours each per week. But, at our stage in life, we don't want to overdo.  Truthfully, we only take in three customer cars at a time. The rest in the shop are ours. We don't have any interest in expanding.
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: 340dart4spd ]
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09/29/09 09:00 AM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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Just wonder how a Weed Eater comes into play.....JK looks great!!
It kept cars from driving up the driveway and running over my junk!
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: cloneguy]
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09/29/09 09:03 AM
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Wow!! Tough room!! If your work if your work is average back yard garage driver resto, then the average joes work I've seen must be borderline mentally challenged, riveted, bondo'd, fiberglassed paint roller crap....(which it's not)....I'm obviously missing something Man, I wish I was closer. I'd gladly hand over my 70 gran coupe for a respray and some detailing  Glenn C
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Re: American Muscle Car Revolution Resto Job as Promised.
[Re: Crocker]
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10/02/09 08:38 PM
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If they are subbing all this stuff out, they are just doing R&R and a paint/body job. So 25K isn't a bad deal on the shop end.
Think about taking your car to the body shop and then having them take it all on down instead of just masking it off. This makes sense.
And yes, the EPA will be all over you if you are stripping paint like that and they see it. At a shop anyway, house, might not be fooled with but don't count on it.
I want my fair share
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