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Bill, irrespective of the foregoing I apologize if you think I stepped over the line and I have held back wildly on this response.

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Bill IS a class act...

your response in a nutshell is why you have a hard time on this site, its your attitude, it has not changed since you got here and obviously will never change. Bill on the other hand lets his parts do the talking with MOPAR, Delaney, Strope and, Foose all using his product...

is he out there with a bugle like you? no

sometimes it what you DO... not what you SAY...
know what I mean?

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The only thing I see wrong with the VX system is they don't have a level 2 set up for the A body cars. As soon as they do thats what I'll be buying.

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It's really hard to rationalize doing it for the A-Body cars. Originally we planned to, but right now it's not in the cards.

The reason is that we have launched products for A-Body cars and so far they really don't sell. Tilt columns - for E-Body I can't keep them in stock. B we sell plenty of as well. So far it hasn't been worth the time/money to have done the A body pieces.

Power window kits is another. I've lost track how many we've sold, primarily for E, but also alot of B-body. A-body again, hasn't been worth the effort at all.

Same with other pieces we have, numbers are many fold more for E and B, over the A.

We had put it out there long ago, if we got enough serious people for Level II A-Body, we'd do it. There's a small number who stood up, but not enough to warrant the resources in time and money. Time is our scarcest resource for getting things done. Some things are easy to do and we just knock them out. But bigger projects, we need to be confident the demand is there.

We've already started a Level II for older Mustangs - most of the work is already done. That'll be done before we have an A-Body product. From a business standpoint it's a bigger market and we have requests all day long for us to start building other kinds of cars, including Mustangs.

If there is enough demand, we'll do almost any platform - within reason. I'm sure you've noticed, we're launching many, many different products. That isn't going to stop. Lot's more in the pipeline and all to the same standards we do things to.

So if you really want us to do A-body, in this case it's a function of people stepping up and saying they are really serious - not just a post here, but get in touch with Peter and tell him you're in if we'll do it. He has a list, which has alot of dust on it and not enough names...

Level II Rear would be easy to do on the A-body. Chassis stiffening is pretty easy as well - some is already started on that. Level II Front is where it's going to require some real time and money to do it right.

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John, reading your reply to the question of offering products for A-bodies tells me that you really don't understand this segment of the Mopar hobby. For the most part, A-body guys don't care about tilt columns and power windows, we care about performance. Basing your decision to make hardcore suspension parts for A-body mopars on how many tilt columns you sell is just silly.

Take a look at the Race Only section of the forums and you will see that the majority of cars being used for drag racing are A-bodies. The same goes for road racing. Most of the "handling" cars I've seen on the forums and in the mags have been Darts, Valiants, and A-body Cudas. They were the lightest cars that Mopar made and therefore lend themselves well to being raced out. Something else you're probably not thinking about is how many more A-bodies were produced and how much less rare they are than the B and E bodies. Because they are not as scarce and cost less money to obtain, people are much more willing to cut them up and turn them into race cars. By ignoring the A-body crowd you are missing out on the single biggest segment of the mopar market. I don't think you would have any problem selling 10 kits if you manufactured them, in fact, I think you would have trouble keeping them in stock. Especially if you got the prices down a little bit like you were talking about.

I look forward to seeing what your company has in store for the future.

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One thing that bothers me about the RMS system is that it removes some of the torsional strength from the front of the car.
Look at the unit off the car. There's only one little crossmember. If you grab the unit by the mounting points it would twist much easier than the stock K.
It removes the torsional load from the T-bars but the car is stuck relying on the flimsy core support to keep it from becoming a pretzel.

The XV unit has the second cross bar that helps prevent flex in the K. It's still going to move around on it's own but once installed it would lead to a much stiffer chassis.

Adding the other pieces to stiffen the vehicle would really help either setup but if you're going that far you wouldn't consider the RMS in the first place.

I don't have any experience with either setup but understanding physics and knowing how to break stuff makes me lean more towards the better designed (and painfully expensive) XV.

If you're going to go drag racing, RMS has got the better looking product assuming you've already got a cage with forward bars.

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I dunno. That "little crossmember" of the RMS is pretty dang beefy. Compare that to the flimsy, sheet metal torsion bar x-member that's still there! It's not like you cut it out.

The RMS is super stiff compared to the factory K. Latter may be heavier, but not as stiff.

Folks have been on HR Power Tours w/the RMS and never heard of any issues.

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This is getting out of hand and it is ridiculous. Businesses’ interacting about their products is a growing problem here on Moparts.

If a business needs to comment on their product on a web board they should be objective and to the point as possible. They should respect their competitors and talk about their products only. I don’t want to see a debate (catfight) between businesses on Moparts.

If this get worse this place will just be a [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean]-fest, with disguised shill members here to pump products services. It sort of happening now, just very thinly veiled. Not including any of the businesses mentioned in this post.

When any business comes on here implying or saying their product is the best, most of the time there is a backlash with pot shots. Just like what John B is trying to defend. It really may be the best, but that just puts a product on the dart board. Best for whom, and for what? There is not just one solution for everyone. State your objective facts with an open mind and let the customers decide.

I come onto a web group to look for unbiased opinions of products, ideas, methods, techniques, etc. It’s my job to decipher what opinions are valid. Many are not valid, just look at this thread. I’m looking for the customers of businesses too. I’m not looking for owners of the businesses. I don’t mind an owner clarification or comment. But debating with businesses about their competitor’s products is not why most people are here.

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I apologize as I let it slip into exactly what I've avoided since day one. Won't happen again or any more in this instance.

And you are right on the money, many people have different needs and objectives, so one size never fits all.

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John, reading your reply to the question of offering products for A-bodies tells me that you really don't understand this segment of the Mopar hobby. For the most part, A-body guys don't care about tilt columns and power windows, we care about performance. Basing your decision to make hardcore suspension parts for A-body mopars on how many tilt columns you sell is just silly.

Take a look at the Race Only section of the forums and you will see that the majority of cars being used for drag racing are A-bodies. The same goes for road racing. Most of the "handling" cars I've seen on the forums and in the mags have been Darts, Valiants, and A-body Cudas. They were the lightest cars that Mopar made and therefore lend themselves well to being raced out. Something else you're probably not thinking about is how many more A-bodies were produced and how much less rare they are than the B and E bodies. Because they are not as scarce and cost less money to obtain, people are much more willing to cut them up and turn them into race cars. By ignoring the A-body crowd you are missing out on the single biggest segment of the mopar market. I don't think you would have any problem selling 10 kits if you manufactured them, in fact, I think you would have trouble keeping them in stock. Especially if you got the prices down a little bit like you were talking about.

I look forward to seeing what your company has in store for the future.

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I apologize as I let it slip into exactly what I've avoided since day one. Won't happen again or any more in this instance.

And you are right on the money, many people have different needs and objectives, so one size never fits all.

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With all the engineering that went into the XV suspension no one knows what the parts weight or how much the total weight of the car increases with the suspension and additional bracing? This seems like vital information when trying to determine the best solution for a particular use.

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My take is that they are both great products but XV belongs at SEMA and the Alterkation belongs at PRI. :-)

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This is getting out of hand and it is ridiculous. Businesses’ interacting about their products is a growing problem here on Moparts.

If a business needs to comment on their product on a web board they should be objective and to the point as possible. They should respect their competitors and talk about their products only. I don’t want to see a debate (catfight) between businesses on Moparts.

If this get worse this place will just be a [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean]-fest, with disguised shill members here to pump products services. It sort of happening now, just very thinly veiled. Not including any of the businesses mentioned in this post.

When any business comes on here implying or saying their product is the best, most of the time there is a backlash with pot shots. Just like what John B is trying to defend. It really may be the best, but that just puts a product on the dart board. Best for whom, and for what? There is not just one solution for everyone. State your objective facts with an open mind and let the customers decide.

I come onto a web group to look for unbiased opinions of products, ideas, methods, techniques, etc. It’s my job to decipher what opinions are valid. Many are not valid, just look at this thread. I’m looking for the customers of businesses too. I’m not looking for owners of the businesses. I don’t mind an owner clarification or comment. But debating with businesses about their competitor’s products is not why most people are here.

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John, reading your reply to the question of offering products for A-bodies tells me that you really don't understand this segment of the Mopar hobby. For the most part, A-body guys don't care about tilt columns and power windows, we care about performance. Basing your decision to make hardcore suspension parts for A-body mopars on how many tilt columns you sell is just silly.

Take a look at the Race Only section of the forums and you will see that the majority of cars being used for drag racing are A-bodies. The same goes for road racing. Most of the "handling" cars I've seen on the forums and in the mags have been Darts, Valiants, and A-body Cudas. They were the lightest cars that Mopar made and therefore lend themselves well to being raced out. Something else you're probably not thinking about is how many more A-bodies were produced and how much less rare they are than the B and E bodies. Because they are not as scarce and cost less money to obtain, people are much more willing to cut them up and turn them into race cars. By ignoring the A-body crowd you are missing out on the single biggest segment of the mopar market. I don't think you would have any problem selling 10 kits if you manufactured them, in fact, I think you would have trouble keeping them in stock. Especially if you got the prices down a little bit like you were talking about.

I look forward to seeing what your company has in store for the future.

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That's very interesting, I definitely hadn't thought about it in that way.

Obviously the cars are the lightest and the A's are the stiffest to begin with. FWIW, the E's are the the one's that need the most help with regard to stiffening.

That's very helpful.

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Would you guys like me to go through our setup in detail? What we did, why, how, what we found, how we addressed, etc.?

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I can also cover aspects of install as well so you know what is, and what's not, involved.

You can draw your own conclusions about it all, I'll just lay it out and walk you through it. I may ask some questions along the way with regard to places we could cut cost and whether you consider the difference important or not.

Let me know and I will start.

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