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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 10:58 AM
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so you guys are saying a sponsor wants to be associated with a guy throwing races 
Sponsors will want to be mostly associated with the guy who wins CHAMPIONSHIPS.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 11:43 AM
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so you guys are saying a sponsor wants to be associated with a guy throwing races
Answer your own question....If you were AAA of SoCal, would you rather see John knock your car out of the chase, for really, no good reason, or do what he did and give your driver a shot at the title. Easy answer. Big time racing is a business, it ceased being a hobby a long time ago.
And let me ask some of the complainers here a question. If you were in a final round, with a son, daughter, good friend, team mate, whatever and the final meant nothing to you, points wise, but could give the other a shot at the title, what would you do.
Monte
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 12:50 PM
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I didnt hera many people complaning when Kalittas were tossing races so they could get Doug the championship a few years ago.They still lost it. You didnt hear Shoe crying about it on TV.He beat them running the record.There was more than one race that Doug got handed to him by his team mate.Tony Pedregon was one of my favorte drivers but Cruz never was.He is kind of like Whit cry about everything.They arent in the poor house.Cruz has been crying for years.Like was said if he was better he would not have had to worry about a spot.Rocky
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 01:15 PM
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Still cheating no matter how you look at it,thats one of the biggest problems with this country cheating is accepted, win at any cost no matter what,really sad thing to be teaching our kids that follow racing..  I hope Tony wins the championship and sticks the "wally" right up Forces behind...
Trying to win using illegal parts, fuels or tuneups is cheating. There is nothing in the rule book, that I'm aware of, that says you can't leave the starting line late or drive out of the groove. You criers are nothing but thinly disguised Force bashers.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 01:31 PM
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Still cheating no matter how you look at it,thats one of the biggest problems with this country cheating is accepted, win at any cost no matter what,really sad thing to be teaching our kids that follow racing.. I hope Tony wins the championship and sticks the "wally" right up Forces behind...
Please explain how you determine this is "Cheating"?
The word "Cheating" is implied only when someone breaks the rules and gets caught.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
[Re: BobR]
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09/08/09 01:35 PM
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Still cheating no matter how you look at it,thats one of the biggest problems with this country cheating is accepted, win at any cost no matter what,really sad thing to be teaching our kids that follow racing.. I hope Tony wins the championship and sticks the "wally" right up Forces behind...
Trying to win using illegal parts, fuels or tuneups is cheating. There is nothing in the rule book, that I'm aware of, that says you can't leave the starting line late or drive out of the groove. You criers are nothing but thinly disguised Force bashers.
Regardless of whether Force threw the race or not, people still want to feel that someone actually earns their championship by actually winning the race fair and square, not have it handed to them by a team mate for the sake of continued sponsorship money. To the racer the sponsors are their life blood, but to the fans they are just an annoying advert cluttering up the side of the car.
Sponsors may pay the bills but only because there's butts on seats to watch those flying billboards, and when those seats are empty, goodbye $$$$. Tick off enough fans by even implying that there's cheating going on and watch the TV ratings drop and the stands empty.
Yea, Tony might have benefited from John throwing a race when he was on John's team, and now it's coming back to bite him. Cause if Tony has benefited in the past, and I suspect so, he has no room to talk - he knows the inside games as well as anyone. Don't play that game in the first place, and then maybe you can say something...but glass houses and stone throwers.... 
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 01:38 PM
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Still cheating no matter how you look at it,thats one of the biggest problems with this country cheating is accepted, win at any cost no matter what,really sad thing to be teaching our kids that follow racing.. I hope Tony wins the championship and sticks the "wally" right up Forces behind...
Please explain how you determine this is "Cheating"?
The word "Cheating" is implied only when someone breaks the rules and gets caught.
Oh please like Cruz said everyone knew Force was going to give that run away and he did,even a blind man could have saw that..so it's only cheating if you get caught 
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 02:02 PM
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so you guys are saying a sponsor wants to be associated with a guy throwing races
Answer your own question....If you were AAA of SoCal, would you rather see John knock your car out of the chase, for really, no good reason, or do what he did and give your driver a shot at the title. Easy answer. Big time racing is a business, it ceased being a hobby a long time ago.
And let me ask some of the complainers here a question. If you were in a final round, with a son, daughter, good friend, team mate, whatever and the final meant nothing to you, points wise, but could give the other a shot at the title, what would you do.
Monte
i would do everything i could to beat him. if he hands me something, i didn't win it. it's that simple. and if i were a sponsor, i would want to be associated with a racer who races as hard as they can every run, and win or lose, they shake hands and act in a civilized and sportsman-like manor. the nhra and the sponsors have allowed good sportmanship and magnanimity to take a back seat to sensation and profit.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 02:25 PM
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"i would do everything i could to beat him. if he hands me something, i didn't win it. it's that simple. and if i were a sponsor, i would want to be associated with a racer who races as hard as they can every run, and win or lose, they shake hands and act in a civilized and sportsman-like manor. the nhra and the sponsors have allowed good sportmanship and magnanimity to take a back seat to sensation and profit."  There is a much bigger life issue at stake here than who wins or loses a race...or a championship, for that matter. I've been wealthy, bankrupt, in great health and on my death bed....and always drummed home this fact to my kids.....it means nothing if you didn't earn it. You gain nothing by having something handed to you. I am not sure that I would want to be associated with a company that would expect me to do that. To be frank, my unwillingness to compromise these ideas has probably cost me a lot of money over the years. But, I don't regret it. I have been told I am a dinosaur....maybe that's true. Maybe my ideas of integrity are passe', but, I think that it is the most important thing one can learn. When everything else is all gone, your integrity is all that you have.
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 03:18 PM
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"i would do everything i could to beat him. if he hands me something, i didn't win it. it's that simple. and if i were a sponsor, i would want to be associated with a racer who races as hard as they can every run, and win or lose, they shake hands and act in a civilized and sportsman-like manor. the nhra and the sponsors have allowed good sportmanship and magnanimity to take a back seat to sensation and profit."
There is a much bigger life issue at stake here than who wins or loses a race...or a championship, for that matter. I've been wealthy, bankrupt, in great health and on my death bed....and always drummed home this fact to my kids.....it means nothing if you didn't earn it. You gain nothing by having something handed to you. I am not sure that I would want to be associated with a company that would expect me to do that. To be frank, my unwillingness to compromise these ideas has probably cost me a lot of money over the years. But, I don't regret it.
I have been told I am a dinosaur....maybe that's true. Maybe my ideas of integrity are passe', but, I think that it is the most important thing one can learn. When everything else is all gone, your integrity is all that you have.
Very well put gentlemen.. 
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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09/08/09 03:59 PM
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Man,he was dead on with his comments on Force..nhra is getting worse by the week,they really need to step in and do something about it,but as we all know Force is their poster boy and won't do a thing about it..
Pinks is more interesting to watch than NHRA events.
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