Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Here's another vote for John. He was just getting his 4th car into the chase. As a fan I I see nothing wrong with that. Cruz shouldn't have let it come down to that. He blew his chance to take John out the round earlier.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Here's another vote for John. He was just getting his 4th car into the chase. As a fan I I see nothing wrong with that. Cruz shouldn't have let it come down to that. He blew his chance to take John out the round earlier.
If you were racing funny car in nhra,and Force did the same thing knocking you out of the chase would you still think it was ok???..or funny??...
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Here's another vote for John. He was just getting his 4th car into the chase. As a fan I I see nothing wrong with that. Cruz shouldn't have let it come down to that. He blew his chance to take John out the round earlier.
Tony should have kept his mouth shut, 'cause he knows that's how the game is played.....
Force should have kept his mouth shut, 'cause now it's spilled over onto National TV.......and now it doesn't look good for either of them...
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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[ Cause if Tony has benefited in the past, and I suspect so, he has no room to talk - he knows the inside games as well as anyone. Don't play that game in the first place, and then maybe you can say something...but glass houses and stone throwers....
Exactly, watch the 2007 Championship run for Tony, Cruz laid down for his brother at least three times late in the season, not quite as obvious as yesterday (and not at the Nats, which brought more attention), so Tony and Cruz have no room to talk. Also, last year when Cruz was closing in on Wilky, Tony had a Blower Belt break when facing Cruz in the Countdown to 1, which put Cruz on Wilkersons heels. The worst offender of the practice is probably the Schumacher teams when Tony was on his big run, several falls for the man during those years. Antron Brown laid down for Sampey on a couple of occasions in Bike and the worst ever was Hines missing a gear mid track after Kraewick (sp?) cut an amazing.284 light (no chance of redlight there) and Eddie passed him like he was sitting still (Hines basically was sitting still) and that led Eddie K. on to win the Points Championship without ever winning a single event the entire season. Unfortuantly, while it is racing, it's still a business and these guys have to pays the bills and keep the sponsers on board. I Used to be a fan of Tony P., but the last few years he has become a whiney jerk on a number of occasions and that is probably why one of the best crew chiefs in the game is at Al-Anabi now.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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I still think most people can't see the forest for the trees. This isn't about whether Force should have done what he did in Funnycar in it's state. I would have, as that's what the current state of FC dictates. The question should be why is FC in the kind of state that would allow/encourage this in the first place?
The answer is that NHRA isn't about grass roots racing anymore at all. It's now a big money, corporate marketing business. I have to agree that in it's current form, Force made the right choice, just as Hulk Hogan made the right choice when he gave up his imaginary championship belt to the guy that Vince McMann wanted to have it
if the NHRA had not started this stupid chase crap we wouldn't even be talking about this. the car that goes the most rounds over the year should be champ not this crap they dreamed up.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Still cheating no matter how you look at it,thats one of the biggest problems with this country cheating is accepted, win at any cost no matter what,really sad thing to be teaching our kids that follow racing.. I hope Tony wins the championship and sticks the "wally" right up Forces behind...
Yes but Tony won enough rounds early on to not be in either Cruz or Roberts situation. Short of Force being 00 and setting low ET of the round he would have been accused of throwing it. I would just tell my kid it is a business nothing more and nothing less. Think Trump got to where he is doing everything fair to the other guy? What about Microsoft, the big O or even you in your life! Did you give up that promotion so the guy behind you could get ahead or be equal to you????
How many people here think that every sponsor deal out there now has an extra $$$ bonus for making the chase???? All of them??? So why in the world would you throw that money away??? You know you would have done the same thing if you owned the team and were sitting behind the wheel...and until you foot the bill you have no right to judge his(or any other owner/drivers)situation.
Best post so far on the topic.
Too bad the sport has come to this. I believe in life if you do something wrong? One day it will come back on you. Makes me wonder why Force racing had so much bad luck over the past few years??? If i can't win honest? I sure wouldn't want it handed to me like that.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Here's another vote for John. He was just getting his 4th car into the chase. As a fan I I see nothing wrong with that. Cruz shouldn't have let it come down to that. He blew his chance to take John out the round earlier.
If you were racing funny car in nhra,and Force did the same thing knocking you out of the chase would you still think it was ok???..or funny??...
What you don't seem to understand is that the multi-car teams have this advantage. Everybody that races professionally understands this. Just because it's new to you doesn't make it wrong. It is what it is and gaining any advantage is what they ALL try to do.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Not much respect for JFR right now. He should just man up and admit things instead of lying about it on TV. Everyone knows he laid down for Robert.
Ya, sure.. Go on and admit you broke the rules.. Then, the car you broke the rules for gets kicked out of the countdown, and most likely lose a multi million dollar a year sponsorship..
Sounds pretty stupid to me. If Force did that, I think someone would seriously have him seek professional mental help.
As far as you guys that think you need to earn every round.. The next time you get a bye run, drive over the centerline and get disqualified so you can earn it next time..
I grew up in So. Cal. and have been around Force outside of the race track.. As BG said he has earned it.. Was a truck driver back in the day... Down to earth and.. He really is a nice guy, and loves his girls..No matter how spoiled they are.
Chris..
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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You guys really dont think this is new...do you? Manifest destiny ...happens all the time. i can tell you 2nd hand about a race that took place at Atco in 70...i believe.. the week before Indy.. Mopar showed up with a superbird that had a lead wing,tripple thick back window.and a transmission set up to neutral drop.... they wanted to test it out for the next weeks battle at Indy.. this superbird was a "wringer" just so they could put out a car in the field and give mopar the advantage.. i have to look up the facts..as its been along time ago...but i think it was Jenkins they where trying to beat.. \they did their best to manipulate the et during time trials....to line up against him early.. take him out...then go red next round and trailer the car..so no one was the wiser.. as a caviat he was gonna go red in the superbird but ended up with a .00 light so he drove it almost onto the grass ....to guarantee the loss. made for a pretty damn good story to tell the youngands...and IMHO...so was this saga.. a new story to tell my grandchildren. some of you old timers know just who i am talking about 5-50 cheapst....
beat them to the finish line..and that will be all the talkin you need to do..FWIW !!!!
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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The SuperBird was owned and driven by Jack Werst, of Mr. 5&50 fame. It had a 484 inch Hemi, and a lead filled wing. It was built specifically to take out Ray Allen's Briggs Chevrolet SS/DA 454 Chevelle ragtop, another bogus combo. They were worried about the Chevelle getting into the eliminator, as it had been pretty successful. The idea was to take Allen early in class eliminations, and then purposely bulb to keep from going through tech as the class winner. Would of worked, too, but Allen got upset in the first round, so Jack just bulbed and it was over. The motor was then returned to Detroit, and the car never ran again, although it still exists.
As far as the neutral starts, they had been outlawed in 1967 after Dick Oldfield messed up the starting line at Bristol. Dave Wren found that "process" in testing, and before you know it, we all were doing it. Chrysler even showed up at Indy in 67 with a whole truckload of torqueflites specifically built for that, but we could not use them. There were big signs in the burnout box, "NO NEUTRAL STARTS".
I don't see how this relates to what happened on Monday, though.
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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yup..... my Dad's got a picture of Steve Kanuika in the lanes (dont know what track?) but a sign leaning on the tower wall says "no neutral starts" as far as relating...its manipulation of the outcome of a race.. my point was...we brag about it today when we look back... its a great story or memory.. we will be doing the same thing 30yrs from now about this very ordeal that took place at indy.. chepast
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Re: Tony Pedregon says it like it is...........
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Well, I guess that I think that "bending the rules" to beat someone is one thing....but deliberately throwing a race is different.
That's just the way I see it.
By the way, Jack's SuperBird is still in existence. He's tried to buy it back, but the guy wants a fortune for it.
Steve Kanuika had a number of speed shops in the Philly-NJ area. Your dad's pic could have been taken at Maple Grove, Atco, Englishtown, or any number of the drag strips in that area. Some of them are no longer around.
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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