Radial Front Bias Ply Rear Staibility?
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08/27/09 02:37 PM
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I can't remember, but I don't think I have ever ran a car down the track with Radial front, Bias rear until last week (at least a fast car) & am wondering if the majority of my top end wandering issues is from the mis matched tires?
I've ran several cars on the street with Radial front/Bias rear combo's & never really had any ill handling issues, but those are generally stiff sidewall bias plys like a M/T INDY Profile.
My Road Runner now has 235/60 BF Goodrich Radial TA's up front & 26 X 11.5 Hoosier Quick Time Pros on back for track use.... Last week had rear pressure @ 18PSI, car went 118.4 MPH & was wandering all over the place from about 1/8 mile on, & then decides to do some wicked diving around when I let off after the stripe. I thought I'd make it a little better by trying 24 PSI since junk converter was'nt allowing it to hit tires hard on launch anyhow.... needless to say I let off around 1100' as I was wandering towards the timing boxes @ the traps. I only have a 7" wheel & with the 11.5's with more air actually reduces contact patch....
I ordered a set of 275/60/15 Hoosier Drag Radials this AM & will try those this weekend if weather cooperates. I have a new 4000 Stall PTC 9.5" verter coming at beginning of week, & am hoping I can get car to hook with the DR's once it is in.
I've had the car to around 110 on the street with the Hoosiers on & it feels way better stability wise, than it does at the track?? Dunno what is into it... Buddy of mine has a mid 11 sec '70 Chevelle that runs Radial fronts & M/T ET Streets on back & said his does similar wandering around, but he said his really only does it on deceleration...
I did'nt really want to try a bias front tire since I drive car every day on street I'd like to keep the Radial TA's on it, because they work well in the rain & taking corners @ speed..
Just wondering what everyone's experiences have been like trying to run 110+ MPH with radial front/Bias rear, especially with a wrinklewall rear tire....
Just feels like rear end is wandering from side to side real bad @ speed & I'm constantly trying to chase it with steering wheel. Not happy with it at all....
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Re: Radial Front Bias Ply Rear Staibility?
[Re: bigsbigelow]
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08/27/09 03:33 PM
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My '71 'Cuda tended to follow seams in the road rather badly when driving with radial front and bias rear.
Very scary at times!
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Re: Radial Front Bias Ply Rear Staibility?
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08/27/09 03:36 PM
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Been 135 with 225/60 radial up front and 28x11.5 et street. It gets a little swayey if thats a word? but not nothing too crazy.
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Re: Radial Front Bias Ply Rear Staibility?
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08/27/09 03:49 PM
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Sometimes - certainly not all the time - mismatched radial tires will handle very badly. My 3/4 ton truck came with bridgstones on it. When I needed to replace 2 of them I got a different brand of exactly the same size and load rating. The truck handles so evily that I took them back the next day and got a more expensive pair of a different brand and it handles much better but still not as good as it did with all 4 the same. I'll probably get 2 more new ones before winter. If 2 different but equivalent radials can handle that badly, I can't imagine what it would have been like if I had mixed in bias tires.
That said, I think 11.5" wide tires on 7" rims probably contributed alot to your wandering problem.
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Re: Radial Front Bias Ply Rear Staibility?
[Re: Locomotion]
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08/27/09 05:15 PM
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I run in the 115 MPH range with radials up front ( P235/60's ). If I try and pump them up ( over 35 psi ) the car gets squirrely. Seems to be best around 32psi. Run bias ply Hoosiers out back. I don't think there is any "connection" between poor handling at speed and running radial / bias tires as long as they are on different axles. I do think bias ply tires up front add stability at speed and radials are more sensitive to tire pressure than bias tires. When you are running a big old boat at speed you gotta make sure all the suspension and steering components are up to speed - so to speak.
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Re: Radial Front Bias Ply Rear Staibility?
[Re: quickd100]
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08/27/09 07:26 PM
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I ran a 26x10 on an 8" rim and had pretty bad walk on the big end running low 12s. One thing that made it alot better was when I quit trying to correct for it, steering it only made it worse. Oddly enough nitrous was a great fix for the problem, I guess it kept the tires wadded up for longer and helped out with the stability.
I never had any issues on the street with a radial front bias rear combo. I don't think I would want a bias ply front on the road, if the back end follows ruts and wanders(which it does sometimes) I sure as heck don't want the whole car doing that.
You also might check your toe settings, if its toed out a little it might wander around some and exagurate your problem.
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