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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: metalgod]
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08/16/09 12:29 AM
08/16/09 12:29 AM
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DaytonaTurbo
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i have a good 18 spline shifter rods etc the whole works but was wantint the overdrive isnt the passon a 3 speed with an 4th overdrive? what is the gear spread between 3rd and 4th ?
Passon od basically has the same first 3 ratios as a 727 but with an overdrive gear. 3rd gear is 1:1, 4th is .8:1. With a 3.54 gear you will NOT hit 4th gear while going down the track.
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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: metalgod]
#439225
08/18/09 10:51 AM
08/18/09 10:51 AM
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rj8806
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On a '70 B-body car that is already a factory 4 speed car, our shifter will come out in the factory correct location WITHOUT CUTTING the tunnel. You will have to relocate the opening the floor over to the center line but the shifter handle will still come out in the factory correct location and will fit perfectly in the console. The factory linkage will work but the bell housing will need to have the TKO bolt pattern in it and the register hole opening in the back of the bell will need to be re-sized to accept the bearing retainer of the TKO. As far as the pro's and con's verses the Passon unit or the Gear Vendors unit.....I have no real world experience with either of those so I cannot comment. I do know that Passon makes one heck of a great gearbox though.  Richard Tech Support
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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: rj8806]
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08/18/09 07:32 PM
08/18/09 07:32 PM
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Blakcharger440
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On a '70 B-body car that is already a factory 4 speed car, our shifter will come out in the factory correct location WITHOUT CUTTING the tunnel. You will have to relocate the opening the floor over to the center line but the shifter handle will still come out in the factory correct location and will fit perfectly in the console.
The factory linkage will work but the bell housing will need to have the TKO bolt pattern in it and the register hole opening in the back of the bell will need to be re-sized to accept the bearing retainer of the TKO.
As far as the pro's and con's verses the Passon unit or the Gear Vendors unit.....I have no real world experience with either of those so I cannot comment. I do know that Passon makes one heck of a great gearbox though.
Richard
Tech Support
It still sounds like you have to modify the opening where the shifter comes through as per your words "You will have to relocate the opening the floor over to the center line".
So if the car in question was a 70 B-body non-console factory 4speed car would you have to modify the floor any ...or could you just install the TKO the same way you would a factory 4speed trans with no modifications to the floor or hump?
Please explain further as I am interested in a strong overdrive type trans that will install with no cutting or modifying of the floor,trans hump,etc in any way.
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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: JamiePasson]
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08/18/09 11:56 PM
08/18/09 11:56 PM
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lokalik
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I guess that makes the Tremec 5 speed a 4 speed with a 5th overdrive then. right?
which makes it better than a 3spd with a overdrive right? 
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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: Blakcharger440]
#439233
08/19/09 09:34 AM
08/19/09 09:34 AM
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rj8806
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On a '70 B-body car that is already a factory 4 speed car, our shifter will come out in the factory correct location WITHOUT CUTTING the tunnel. You will have to relocate the opening the floor over to the center line but the shifter handle will still come out in the factory correct location and will fit perfectly in the console.
The factory linkage will work but the bell housing will need to have the TKO bolt pattern in it and the register hole opening in the back of the bell will need to be re-sized to accept the bearing retainer of the TKO.
As far as the pro's and con's verses the Passon unit or the Gear Vendors unit.....I have no real world experience with either of those so I cannot comment. I do know that Passon makes one heck of a great gearbox though.
Richard
Tech Support
It still sounds like you have to modify the opening where the shifter comes through as per your words "You will have to relocate the opening the floor over to the center line".
So if the car in question was a 70 B-body non-console factory 4speed car would you have to modify the floor any ...or could you just install the TKO the same way you would a factory 4speed trans with no modifications to the floor or hump?
Please explain further as I am interested in a strong overdrive type trans that will install with no cutting or modifying of the floor,trans hump,etc in any way.
As long as you already have the factory 4 speed hump in the car, the only cut you have to make is a 4 x 4 square cut, about 3" over to the right from the original shifter hole opening. Console or non console makes no difference as to the cut. The TKO is an internal linkage system and with that, we have no way around the torsion bar cross member so you have to relocate the shifter opening in the tunnel, over to the centerline of the tunnel. If you are running a console, we have an adapter that goes between the shifter handle the stub on the transmission and kicks the handle back over to the left so that it comes up in the middle of the console. A non console car is the same, you just don't use the adapter.
If the car is automatic, then yes, you do have to cut on the tunnel, OR install a 4 speed hump and remvove the metal from underneath it and then re-do the cut I mentioned above.
Richard
Tech Support
Last edited by rj8806; 08/19/09 11:09 AM.
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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: copchaser]
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08/19/09 10:04 AM
08/19/09 10:04 AM
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rj8806
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.... If your biulding a street rod and want the modified look, then run rhe keisler set up......
Modified look??? Color me silly but I can't tell that the tunnel has been modified in the post above? 
Richard
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Re: keisler 5 speed good bad ugly???
[Re: rj8806]
#439239
08/19/09 10:16 AM
08/19/09 10:16 AM
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After talking with a rep from TREMAC and playing with there TKO trany I must admit I like it. It shifted quickly and smoothly. I like the short throws and the fact that the linkage is enclosed in the case as to give more side clearance around the trany. Yes that will mean with the shifter linkage being in the centerline of the trany it will require some mods to the trany hump. You have shown what is needed on top and how nice the finished product can look but I'm wondering how much of the underside needs to be reworked. I was told the bracing that runs under an A-Body will get in the way and require "adjustment". How much adjustment is my concern. Oh and by the way the TREMAC rep recomended Keisler to go thru as you guys know what you are doing.
1979 Chrysler 300
1968 Barracuda project
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