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How much money have you allocated for making an AAR handle like it is suppose too? Street?? Road Course??? How much money???

First money spent is for tires, wheels, shocks and brakes. 15 inch wheels limit the tire choices severely to the point of why bother. Tires really really count. Is this a fashion show or are we going to do some apexing?

Tires/wheels & shocks are where you start. 16x8 wheels on 4.5 offset. 255-50-16 v rated tires.
Is this a fashion show or are we going to do some corner carving?? You don't need expensive calipers to stop or rear wheel disc brakes either.

There are better ways to spend your money than a "package" as one size does not fit all. I spent about $5600.00 on hardware including tires and wheels [$2200..]and it the set up I have now was accomplished incrementally over several years..
It works well as the car does not drive like a race car on the street yet drives the track like a race car...

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BTW, it was a 70's vette he was comparing to, not a Z06.

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BTW, it was a 70's vette he was comparing to, not a Z06.

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And that would be my mistake

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I missed that at first too. I've driven my brothers 73 vette. I guess it was ok. It was just strange with big blind spot, fender top and window sill at eye level.

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My predator [barracuda] would love a big piece of watermelon...

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I remember the last guy that wanted a piece of "watermellon",......... never got a bite!


your funny Tom

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Is there track back East big enough to fit both of your guy's egos on it at the same time !!

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How much money have you allocated for making an AAR handle like it is suppose too? Street?? Road Course??? How much money???

First money spent is for tires, wheels, shocks and brakes. 15 inch wheels limit the tire choices severely to the point of why bother. Tires really really count. Is this a fashion show or are we going to do some apexing?

Tires/wheels & shocks are where you start. 16x8 wheels on 4.5 offset. 255-50-16 v rated tires.
Is this a fashion show or are we going to do some corner carving?? You don't need expensive calipers to stop or rear wheel disc brakes either.

There are better ways to spend your money than a "package" as one size does not fit all. I spent about $5600.00 on hardware including tires and wheels [$2200..]and it the set up I have now was accomplished incrementally over several years..
It works well as the car does not drive like a race car on the street yet drives the track like a race car...

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He said he was just looking for improved street handling. Not road course stuff. I'm thinking with the 15" tire, AAR rake, and street handling requirements just to keep it simple and have a good base. Then if you like it and want more, then start welding and more involved stuff.

BTW, it was a 70's vette he was comparing to, not a Z06.

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I Love 70's bbodies and purple aar cudas !
I will be there to take pics .


just trying to stir up the pot .

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Classic Yankees vs. Red Sox.

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What about Mickey Thompson SR tires? Those come in a variety of 15" sizes.

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We are doing the exact same thing... almost.

Now i dont know how different the cuda is to the Challenger (never got to drive my cuda), but i'm going the exact same route with my 70 Challenger. T/A look (old school look), modern handling. I've got 15x7's front and 15x8's rear with 265/50/15's front and 295/50/15 rear, and they fit fine. This gives you your old school or 'classic' tire/musclecar look, but puts some decent size tire on the car. The only downside is that 50 series 15" radials suck performance wise. My Charger has wide 50's (275/295 modern BFG radial T/A's) all 'round and its almost cost me the car more than twice. They dont grip. As much as i hate the look ov smaller tires, if they are BETTER tires (say HP summer-only style Z-rated) they will handle better. The other downside (for others, i like it) with my set-up is that the car cant be low, but the factory AAR stance will be more than enough.

What i'm doing is putting 275 and 295 50's on factory 8" steelies (i'll put up with the rubbing if need be) with the factory T/A stance and also having another set ov meats in 18" with some real tires (10's front and 12's rear?). You cant even come close without good tires, and unfortunately they just dont make good tires in musclecar sizes. There ARE some small Z-rated tires in 15", but they're built for sport imports and dont get much bigger than 225/50/15. Now trust me, some REALLY good tires in that size WILL handle wicked, but on a big cuda they will look stupid. I actually tried out some top o the heap Yoko 225/50/15's on my 71 Fury and it actually handled pretty good, for what it was. But i had every kid in the land with a sideways hat and saggy pants come up and comment on my 'dope lowrider'... It looked awful.

Also, stiffen that pig up. E-bodies are horrible and need all the help they can get. I like the look ov that XV kit and plan on getting it myself along with a 6-8pt bar and other chassis mods.

I've asked here about the XV stage one kit before and didn't get nearly the response. Sounds like some here have finally tried it, sounds good. Or at least sounds like a good starting point for tuning up a good carver. I wonder how much raising the rear would screw up what they designed though. No way i'll have my Challenger that low. It'll hurt obviously, but perhaps the extra room for bigger tires than they spec might make up some ov that difference...???

Think about larger rims. I hated the idea too... more than most. But it grows on you. Using the best size and offset and filling the wheelwells makes a huge difference, as does using a complimentary rim. Maybe go for an old-school rim like the Torque-Thrust II or even the classis Cragar SS (that you can get in 16 & 17"). Hell, they even stretch rally rims to 17" now, but in my opinion they look weeeeeiirrd. A 17x9 275/40 and 17x11 315/35 G-Force KD Torque Thrust II combo on that car might look a lot better than you might think... . . .

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There ARE some small Z-rated tires in 15", but they're built for sport imports and dont get much bigger than 225/50/15.

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By bigger, I assume you mean "width"?.......because I run Perelli P-Zero 255/50/15 on the front, and 345/35/15 on the rear of my Countach

the 255's I believe are 26.5 inches tall, and the 345's are 25.5" tall, front rim is 15X9 and rear 15X13, European rims are odd sized in width


Mike

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Pirelli P-Zero 255/50/15, I didn't know they still made any 50 series 15" tire wider than 225. The Dunlop SP8000 was the last 245/50/15 I could find.

Where can I find Pirelli P-Zero 255/50/15 for sale??

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By bigger, I assume you mean "width"?.......because I run Perelli P-Zero 255/50/15 on the front, and 345/35/15 on the rear of my Countach

the 255's I believe are 26.5 inches tall, and the 345's are 25.5" tall, front rim is 15X9 and rear 15X13, European rims are odd sized in width

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When was the last time you bought tires for that car??

I've seached the internet backwards and forward and the Pirelli website, still can't find those tires.

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By bigger, I assume you mean "width"?.......because I run Perelli P-Zero 255/50/15 on the front, and 345/35/15 on the rear of my Countach

the 255's I believe are 26.5 inches tall, and the 345's are 25.5" tall, front rim is 15X9 and rear 15X13, European rims are odd sized in width

Mike

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When was the last time you bought tires for that car??

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Steve, first set I bought about 7 yrs ago, I bought a spare set about 1-2 years ago, both times, from www.tirerack.com local dealers prices was astronomical!,.......I believe at last check a couple of months ago, tirerack had 10 P345/35/15's P-Zero's in stock at $550 each,....and 15 255/50/15's P-Zero's in stock at $250 each IIRC,.....the prices might go up or down depending on Perellis resupply, tireracks need to move them, etc, from what I was told,....7 yrs ago the rears were $750 ea!,.....they are a really nice tire,......the Perelli P6's have been gone for a long time, although a few Lambo dealers across the country had some, they wanted over a $1000 a tire,...no thank you!


Mike

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Steve, first set I bought about 7 yrs ago, I bought a spare set about 1-2 years ago, both times, from www.tirerack.com local dealers prices was astronomical!,.......I believe at last check a couple of months ago, tirerack had 10 P345/35/15's P-Zero's in stock at $550 each,....and 15 255/50/15's P-Zero's in stock at $250 each IIRC,.....the prices might go up or down depending on Perellis resupply, tireracks need to move them, etc, from what I was told,....7 yrs ago the rears were $750 ea!,.....they are a really nice tire,......the Perelli P6's have been gone for a long time, although a few Lambo dealers across the country had some, they wanted over a $1000 a tire,...no thank you!

Mike

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