Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum? update
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Where could a vacuum leak be though? I changed the carb, the manifold, and it dies when you choke it. Im not sure how a vacuum leak would cause such low numbers on a compression test either. Unless thats all a sub-8.0:1 with this cam will do. Could this cam bleed off enough cylinder pressure to do that based on the specs of the cam?
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Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum? update
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10/23/09 11:37 PM
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Your compression does not sound bad, your motor is very low compression ratio and will not pump up big numbers unless you put something with VERY short .050 duratio in it. I had a stock cam from a 273 2bbl in my 318 with 10.0 compression and it pulled 20 inches vaccume so your vaccume is not the end of the world. I think your carb or ignition is the problem
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Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum? update
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Reading back over every thing it looks like your distributer is advancing too fast anmd probably too much. That motor will want a lot of initial advance like 18 degrees minimum, of course now it will run like crap if you do that because it is advancing it too much too early. You need to take apart the distributer and put stiffer springs in it. Also can probably put in a shorter advance plate so you get less total witch since you are advancing the initial will really keep the total about the same. Your motor will want a lot of initial but not too much total like mabey 36-38 total. If you do tha math you start with 38 and subtract 18 for the initial you have 20 left you need to get mechanically so you plate should say 10 degrees on it witch will give you 20 degrees at the crank. You need tight springs so it don't start advancing until 1000 and max out at about 2000-2200. You need to put the distributer to rest once and for all and eliminate it as the problem. After that you can move on to a carb problem. Your motor will probably end up makeing more vacume than any of those carbs were desighned to handle so the idle circuits will need some modifying. I noticed my motor always wanted more fuel at idle than the carter carbs both TQs and AFBs would give it. Don't give up though they can be fixed but eliminate the distributers timing curve first.
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Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum? update
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10/24/09 08:10 AM
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Low compression readings can also come from a weak starting system. Are the cables new? Battery the biggest you can fit? I havent used a factory old-type starter in 10 years. The remans are terrible in most cases so I either get a used factory Magnum one or buy the brand new MP unit. You will not have to buy another one once you do that. I also think you need to verify TDC because it sounds like the balancer is junk. At least make a single mark over the inner ring, rubber, and outer ring and see if it's moving around at all after driving it hard. That cam should have another 5-8° at idle and idle speed should be down near 650. I think perhaps the lean burn Thermoquad carb needs some work too to run properly.
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Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum? update
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Wow, thanks for all of the replies! It looks like I have some tuning to do. I called Comp, and they also said this cam should have way more vacuum than this. So the plate in the distributor will actually have a number on it as stated above? I have a box of distributors up in the crawlspace that I can search through. Can I use two factory stiff springs, or are those too strong? As far as the battery goes, it is a 6 month old group 27, and the starter is the longer factory style starter that was in my 11.2:1 360 in my Barracuda for a while. Im gonna go out and mess with that ignition timing and see what I can come up with
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No low end torque
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Patrick and Mopart guys, i'm having the same no low end torque problem also. I have a 68 dart 383. It is pretty much stock but bored 30 over, schumacher headers, 383 torker mainifold with a new holley 770 avenger carb, new Comp. XE274 cam and lifters, stock heads ported and polished with HD springs, new pushrods, rebuilt 727 trans, 323 sure grip and 3000 hughes stall converter, stock elct. ignition with orange ECU box. Everything is pretty much new in the motor compressions good, vac.is good but it's totally a dog on the low end out of the hole. the motor runs great and it seems to make good power but it just seems like its not getting the power to the rear wheels at launch. I'm starting to think the new in the box stall converter which i bought from a friend may be clogged or have trash in it. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. I have gotten pretty frustrated and don't want to just throw more money at it and hope the problem gets solved. Thanks.
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Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum?
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Patrick and Mopart guys, i'm having the same no low end torque problem also. I have a 68 dart 383. It is pretty much stock but bored 30 over, schumacher headers, 383 torker mainifold with a new holley 770 avenger carb, new Comp. XE274 cam and lifters, stock heads ported and polished with HD springs, new pushrods, rebuilt 727 trans, 323 sure grip and 3000 hughes stall converter, stock elct. ignition with orange ECU box. Everything is pretty much new in the motor compressions good, vac.is good but it's totally a dog on the low end out of the hole. the motor runs great and it seems to make good power but it just seems like its not getting the power to the rear wheels at launch. I'm starting to think the new in the box stall converter which i bought from a friend may be clogged or have trash in it. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. I have gotten pretty frustrated and don't want to just throw more money at it and hope the problem gets solved. Thanks.
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Re: No low end torque
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Mine ended up being the carb
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Re: Would the XE256 cause an E58 to have low vacuum?
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02/24/10 10:24 PM
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the initial & vac sound good. Do you know what your cranking compression is? EDIT Probably more inportant than the CC, I missed the 3.23's which are hurting you and what is your curve
Last edited by RapidRobert; 02/24/10 10:27 PM.
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