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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: ademon] #424976
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I think it needs to be pointed out that Chrysler back in the day was a carb. crazy company. As 6bblgt can attest, there were about 12 separate applications for Holley equipped E and B body cars in 1970. There are about six or more applications for 1971 E and B body 383+4 cars. They were made very specific for each individual application. Sooooo, to just decide on some cheap, replacement, generic carb. is really doing your car a great disservice. The right carb for the right application will always be the best choice for the performance that your car was designed for.
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: m46rat] #424977
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So is the 4749 carb ok for a resto since no one seems to have the originals, I can't give this carb away even for parts, i've had several guys with 71's ask about it but no one wants it, so i'm using it for parts.
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: ademon] #424978
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here is the original carb on my 70 super bee
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 70 buzz] #424979
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here is the original carb on my 70 super bee


70 383+4 three or four speed carb. non air grabber. Your car has an SPD of either Nov. 69, Dec. 69 or Jan. 1970.
ademon, those carbs are hard to find but not anything close to impossible. I have two 6191 cars and also a 6193 and even some 70 383+4 N96 carbs. They are spares and available to cars needing orignal correct carbs.
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: m46rat] #424980
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here is the original carb on my 70 super bee


70 383+4 three or four speed carb. non air grabber. Your car has an SPD of either Nov. 69, Dec. 69 or Jan. 1970. This car is a N-96 car there is a 36 in the carb box on the build sheet

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 70 buzz] #424981
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So for the 70’ 383HP manual trans 49-state car, the R-4367A would be correct for N96? What then is the 4160 list number for a non-fresh air equipped 383HP manual trans car?

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424982
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Ok this is getting confusing, so would a Holly 670 Street Avenger be a good choice for a slightly over stock 383 4spd?
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #424983
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1970

383 manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4217-A ---------- part number 3418 537 on b'cast 37
383 manual - E & B-body - w/o ECS
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 084 with A/C & 087 w/o A/C
---------- Holley R4367-A ---------- part number 3418 536 on b'cast 36
383 manual - E & B-body - w/o ECS & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4736-1A ---------- part number 3512 964 on b'cast 64
383 manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95) & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4738-1A ---------- part number 3512 974 on b'cast 74

383 automatic - E, C & B-body - w/o A/C & w/o ECS
blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4736S ---------- part number 3418 538 on b'cast 38
383 automatic - E, C & B-body - with A/C (H51) & w/o ECS
blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4732S ---------- part number 3418 540 on b'cast 40
383 automatic - E, C & B-body - with ECS (N95)
blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4734S ---------- part number 3418 541 on b'cast 41

383 automatic - E & B-body - w/o A/C & w/o ECS
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 088
---------- Holley R4368-A ---------- part number 3418 542 on b'cast 42
383 automatic - E & B-body - w/o A/C & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 088
---------- Holley R4737-1A ---------- part number 3512 965 on b'cast 65
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4218-A ---------- part number 3418 543 on b'cast 43
383 automatic - E & B-body - with A/C (H51) & w/o ECS
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 089
---------- Holley R4369-A ---------- part number 3418 562 on b'cast 62
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95) & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4739-1A ---------- part number 3512 975 on b'cast 75

1971

383 manual - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4667A ---------- part number 3512 848 on b'cast 48
383 manual - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4734A ---------- part number 3512 849 on b'cast 49

* some sources show the following manual trans carbs w/same part numbers

* 383 manual - E & B-body
* orange HP engine
* ---------- Holley R6191A ---------- part number 3512 848 on b'cast 48
* 383 manual - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
* orange HP engine
* ---------- Holley R6193A ---------- part number 3512 849 on b'cast 49

383 automatic - C-body
blue engine
---------- Carter 6125S ---------- part number 3512 844 on b'cast 44

383 automatic - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4668A ---------- part number 3512 830 on b'cast 30
383 automatic - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4735A ---------- part number 3512 842 on b'cast 42
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424984
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Thank You Dan, that's much easier to read!

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424985
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Would a Holley 670 Street Avenger be a good choice for a slightly over stock 383 4spd?



Since this thread took a original/factory correct twist, try the above question over on the Q&A forum.
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424986
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Thanks for posting 6bblgt, can I ask what the source of this info is? Any idea why the 70’ list numbers R4736-1A, R4737-1A, R4738-1A, and R4739-1A shown are not in the 1970 FSM?

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424987
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Since this thread took a original/factory correct twist, try the above question over on the Q&A forum.



Well I started the post so I think this is a good place to ask, yes? no?

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424988
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Well yes & no, you were asking what was correct/original for your car (and your question was answered), not what would work in the place of a correct carb.

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Ok this is getting confusing, so would a Holly 670 Street Avenger be a good choice for a slightly over stock 383 4spd?



The answer? Probably. Will it hook up and work in place of an original with no customized linkage etc.? Probably not, most take some small custom parts to work in place of a stock carb. Sure, the size is in the ball park for a "stockish" 383, but is it the best choice for your application? If anyone says yes to you they are either selling you something, assuming, or flat out guessing, there's no way to know without putting your engine on a dyno and comparing it to other carbs on YOUR specific engine under the same exact same controlled conditions.
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424989
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OP, with the thread titled as a question “What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd?” and placed in the “Moparts Restoration & A12 Forum” could it have taken any other direction. Reading back through your early posts, maybe you were looking for carb recommendations? Not so much original to your car?

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #424990
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It's cool guys, I guess I was asking for both...what's original if obtainable and if not what's a good alternative. Great info, thanks guys

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424991
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I have been going through the same thing with my car. 71 383 four speed Bee without fresh air. The number that is in the parts book just does not exsist at least I have never seen one or talked to anyone that has. Was even speaking with Bill Rolik who said he had several 6193A carbs years ago but has never laid eyes on a 4667A. So the correct carb as far as I am concerned is a 6191A. Now my original was missing, and am currently looking for one, but I put a Holley 6515 on the car which is supposed to be a replacement for the 6191A,4668A holleys. The carb bolted right up with no fabrication at all and it does seem to work extremely well but am still looking for the 6191A. Also I have the original distributor for the car and am going back to points. Is there a short wire that goes between the vac. advance and the solenoid? There has to be something as the wire on the solenoid and the wire on the advance have the same ends. If anyone had a picture of this I would appreciate it. Someone was looking for the solenoid part#here it is 3438777. Thanks
Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 340cpe] #424992
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So,

Nobody here has ever seen a 4667 in the flesh?

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 340cpe] #424993
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I have been going through the same thing with my car. 71 383 four speed Bee without fresh air. The number that is in the parts book just does not exsist at least I have never seen one or talked to anyone that has. Was even speaking with Bill Rolik who said he had several 6193A carbs years ago but has never laid eyes on a 4667A. So the correct carb as far as I am concerned is a 6191A. Now my original was missing, and am currently looking for one, but I put a Holley 6515 on the car which is supposed to be a replacement for the 6191A,4668A holleys. The carb bolted right up with no fabrication at all and it does seem to work extremely well but am still looking for the 6191A. Also I have the original distributor for the car and am going back to points. Is there a short wire that goes between the vac. advance and the solenoid? There has to be something as the wire on the solenoid and the wire on the advance have the same ends. If anyone had a picture of this I would appreciate it. Someone was looking for the solenoid part#here it is 3438777. Thanks



ido have 71 383 2bbl one but the wire is a long one iwill post a pic for you

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424994
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1970

383 manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4217-A ---------- part number 3418 537 on b'cast 37
383 manual - E & B-body - w/o ECS
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 084 with A/C & 087 w/o A/C
---------- Holley R4367-A ---------- part number 3418 536 on b'cast 36
383 manual - E & B-body - w/o ECS & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4736-1A ---------- part number 3512 964 on b'cast 64
383 manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95) & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4738-1A ---------- part number 3512 974 on b'cast 74

383 automatic - E, C & B-body - w/o A/C & w/o ECS
blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4736S ---------- part number 3418 538 on b'cast 38
383 automatic - E, C & B-body - with A/C (H51) & w/o ECS
blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4732S ---------- part number 3418 540 on b'cast 40
383 automatic - E, C & B-body - with ECS (N95)
blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4734S ---------- part number 3418 541 on b'cast 41

383 automatic - E & B-body - w/o A/C & w/o ECS
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 088
---------- Holley R4368-A ---------- part number 3418 542 on b'cast 42
383 automatic - E & B-body - w/o A/C & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 088
---------- Holley R4737-1A ---------- part number 3512 965 on b'cast 65
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4218-A ---------- part number 3418 543 on b'cast 43
383 automatic - E & B-body - with A/C (H51) & w/o ECS
orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 089
---------- Holley R4369-A ---------- part number 3418 562 on b'cast 62
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95) & with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4739-1A ---------- part number 3512 975 on b'cast 75

1971

383 manual - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4667A ---------- part number 3512 848 on b'cast 48
383 manual - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4734A ---------- part number 3512 849 on b'cast 49

* some sources show the following manual trans carbs w/same part numbers

* 383 manual - E & B-body
* orange HP engine
* ---------- Holley R6191A ---------- part number 3512 848 on b'cast 48
* 383 manual - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
* orange HP engine
* ---------- Holley R6193A ---------- part number 3512 849 on b'cast 49

383 automatic - C-body
blue engine
---------- Carter 6125S ---------- part number 3512 844 on b'cast 44

383 automatic - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4668A ---------- part number 3512 830 on b'cast 30
383 automatic - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4735A ---------- part number 3512 842 on b'cast 42



this info should be moved
right into the tech section..

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424995
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lakerism - To answer your question, yes you can use the 670 or 750 holley carburetors without any issues as long as they have vacuum operated secondaries. This is because the secondary butterfly plates will open as needed determined by engine speed and load. Also, you can purchase a tuning spring kit which has several different tension springs to vary the opening point of the secondaries diaphagm.
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