melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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What do you guys think would cause this?
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67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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Was the head gasket gone between the cylinders?? is that piston turned in the block??
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exhaust valve is hitting the piston
do you have a pic of the head
1.39 9.85 - 137 mph
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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What do you guys think would cause this?
cheap gas detonation
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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Was the head gasket gone between the cylinders?? is that piston turned in the block??
About 90* turned..... looks like it was lean on the edge
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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Was the head gasket gone between the cylinders?? is that piston turned in the block??
yes, why is the piston turned sideways?
looks like an assembly error started the whole thing. did you check piston to valve clearance when you put it together? how do the other pistons look, same problem?
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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My car sputtered off the line like the rev limiter was stuck on after i let go of the transbrake, and after 60 feet... Poof !
At least 5 bent valves, 1 broken pushrod and several badly bent.
Two connecting rods #3, and #4, completely broken off and melted looking. Thats how it was able to twist...Bottoms of those pistons broken from the carnage. And #4 piston having an area on the crown melted??? Timing chain is broken , 1 set of roller lifters stuck in the block.
Broke the block and even trashed my brand new Charlie's oil pan.
Keeps the ideas coming.
Piston to valve clearance was .060" which is close, but steel rods Eagle H beams.
Worked fine for 4 seasons but just put on a terminator Alcohol injection system and had 3 good runs, 2 runs w/ a little sputtering mixed in, then the last run.
Tune up was not lean.
67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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I will check the nozzle right away. Good sugestion.
The problem was that the first pass on Alcohol was fine, 2nd sputtered off the launch, 3rd pass was fine.
Nest weekend , first pass was fine, 2nd sputterred and 3rd ... Poof!
Being so intermittent is what puzzles me???
I have about 5 bent valves, so they will all be checked including springs.
Would the melted crown happen after the carnage, or before ???
Thanks, Arnie
67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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I will check the nozzle right away. Good sugestion.
The problem was that the first pass on Alcohol was fine, 2nd sputtered off the launch, 3rd pass was fine.
Nest weekend , first pass was fine, 2nd sputterred and 3rd ... Poof!
Being so intermittent is what puzzles me???
I have about 5 bent valves, so they will all be checked including springs.
Would the melted crown happen after the carnage, or before ???
Thanks, Arnie
I have never seen a melt after breakage... you are sure its a melt and not cracked off(from what I can see in the pic it looks like its melted). Once it started the failure that cyl basically quit working
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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My guess would be and I'm no expert! My scenario the motor was leaning out bad. that would not only melt pistons but pound out the bearings and likely rod ends of the rods. this would allow the pistons enough free travel to hit the heads/valves and thus more vent valves. I'll bet the rod bearings are pounded out of it??? Dam that makes me feel bad to see that. bin there as many of us have. You just have to suck it up ad start moving on. I say you play hard you pay hard!!
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Piston to valve clearance was .060" which is close, but steel rods Eagle H beams
Arnie,
Is that on the exhaust or intake? If your springs were weak ouch!....
Mike
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Re: melted piston crown. No nitrous...
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I'm thinking it all started with a spun rod bearing then the piston hit the valve and then all he11 broke loose.... just a guess.
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