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Well I just sold my NOS nosecone and I would have to disagree with you about the factory ones being sloppy. Mine still had very nicely done lead work and the spot welded area under the bumper strip looked very nice also.
I also wonder what these repro guys used for a template. Did they take measurements off an NOS cone? I doubt it, likely got measurements off one 30 year old cone thats been bumped a few times.
I'll take a real cone that needs a little work before I'd take a repro.

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NOS doesn't mean perfect, it just means 'New Old Stock". I've seen NOS parts that look perfect and ones that look worse than used..

From what I remember Gene told me (25+ years ago) that he made the patterns off of perfect undamaged noses.
Back then he was having them made on an English wheel, he may have had dies to stamp them out since then.

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.......an original is rather "crude", generally they are very sloppy were the rubber bump strip covers the top skin roll over, and the center section, and corners are joined, the seam work is also rather hap hazzard around the top skin roll over.....

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On my Superbird you can see what appears to be spot welds on the sides that start at the top of the nose and move down to the bottom. If you look at one side versus the other where the sides transition into the front of the nose, the contours of the two sides don't match.

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Well NOS,.......if you think your looking at an NOS, be wary,......as NOS in wingcar parts often leaves a lot to be desired, because a lot of the parts were hand formed, or farmed out to vendors in non automotive businesses to defray the parts cost to build these cars, the parts often deligated to NOS stature were rejects,.....I've seen a lot of NOS wingcar parts over the years that were basically useless, or need a little to major work to be usable,.....nosecones included

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Well I just sold my NOS nosecone and I would have to disagree with you about the factory ones being sloppy. Mine still had very nicely done lead work and the spot welded area under the bumper strip looked very nice also.
I also wonder what these repro guys used for a template. Did they take measurements off an NOS cone? I doubt it, likely got measurements off one 30 year old cone thats been bumped a few times.
I'll take a real cone that needs a little work before I'd take a repro.

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Yes some NOS cones can be assembled very nicely,.....I recall 2 examples, amonst others, that I 've seen over the years that were nicely done, both for customers who had purschased them for their restorations,....NOS cone #1 looked beautiful,.....only problem was the front grille opening, should have measures 24" +/- 1/8" X 8 1/2" +/- 1/16,....it measured 23 5/8" wide X 8" high,....a factory grille would NEVER fit,....I had to customize one of my repro steel SB grilles to fit,........nosecone #2 was purchased from a California parts dealer, nice NOS cone, which when fitted to the car was 1 1/2" too narrow in witdh, it had to be cut and widened at the upswept outer edges at the nose to fender/hood lines to fit, and I've experienced that with a Daytona NOS cone as well,....along with a host of other NOS wingcar part maladies that customers send me

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I would have to challenge you on your statement that NOS wing car parts were "rejects".

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Doug, I could write a book, (looks like I'm doing that on this post ),....I've dealt with a lot of customers, bodyshops, restoration shops over the last 2 decades, either selling them repro parts, repairing original parts, or NOS parts, or correcting other venders repro parts, assembling them, retrofiting them, etc, the list goes on,....but usually the NOS "reject" parts stand out in your memories,......last year I had a body shop in Virginia call me wanting a grille screen and attaching hardware for a NOS grille frame they had for a customers daytona, I sent the stuff, now they wanted to know how to install it,....after a few pics, it was obvious the "NOS" grille frame lacked the welded on top hidden studs, and no counterpunched holes on the bottom for the scews,....so they ended up sending me the "rejected NOS" frame for "adjustment",.........

I think I going to start documenting a photo journal dedicated to "Reject NOS wingcar" stuff,....I'll start with one of my 1969 NOS Daytona fenders, passenger side I have, that has a stamped depression for a 70 marker light, but was never cut out

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LOL, I have a NOS Daytona fender with the fender scoop hole in the wrong location.

Dan

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I think I going to start documenting a photo journal dedicated to "Reject NOS wingcar" stuff,....I'll start with one of my 1969 NOS Daytona fenders, passenger side I have, that has a stamped depression for a 70 marker light, but was never cut out

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In fact Doug, the NOS cone with the reduced grille size opening that I mentioned in my above post, was purchased by the owner thru one of the SB clubs many years ago, whether it was yours or Georges site, I don't recall those details, just that he mentioned he bought it thru one of the SB clubs offerings,

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I think I going to start documenting a photo journal dedicated to "Reject NOS wingcar" stuff,....I'll start with one of my 1969 NOS Daytona fenders, passenger side I have, that has a stamped depression for a 70 marker light, but was never cut out

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That fender is very likely a race part. I've seen a Daytona nose with stamped outlines for the headlights that remained unopened. That nose came direct from Don White's shop so it's pretty clear why it was that way. I would hesitate to label that nose as a reject. It just is what it is and was not intended for a street car.

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I've seen, and had my share of the Wingcar "race" parts Doug, usually the skins, are just that "skins"....no inner stuctures/braces/plates/etc what so-ever, as they didn't need it,....I have 5 NOS Daytona fenders, they are pretty much fully structured bolt on pcs,....not race pcs,.....just that some have various qwerks in their completeness, and or conversion

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Something else I have noticed over the years. Why are some NOS cones gray and others red in primer Were there different venders making these, or just used what ever primer was on sale that week?

Thanks
Dan

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In the winger world, anything is possible ,.....but generally with NOS sheetmetal, any Chrysler stock, not necessarly wingcar stuff, red primered parts are much later down the timeline of production/supply.......I generally find Gray primered, or bare(rust) NOS wingar parts as being early releases for production/supply,......I've seen a few red primered pcs over the years,....I've seen one SB NOS cone, that was brushed in red primer?.......the owner claimed he purchased it from a closing dealer as it was?

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When I talked to Gean Gregory at Monster Mopar last year, he said that there were differences in the recessed flange that mounts the grille frame... I do not recall what the differences were... Anyone know what they are?

XS

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Perhaps Gene was talking about Superbird grille openings,....Daytonas are pretty much consistant (which is surpriseing!),.....over the decades of templateing/measuring/and taking molds off nosecones,.....the Superbirds are perhaps the worst for having a consistant opening,.......I've probally made/sold easly (lost count) over a hundred steel Daytona grille frame/screen assemblies, and never one complaint or issuse of fit,.....the superbirds on the other hand, even after determining a "median" tooling demension, I have some customers who claim it's too tight, or too loose in their grille opening,.....so the last few SB repro grille frames have been made with the customers suppling their grille openings measuement,.....and they vary greatly, not only in height and width, but side to side, across, or up or down! measurement wise,..........one of the reasons I dread tooling for the SB directional frames that complement the grille,....I've had access to a few NOS pcs, and a few original sets, and their all over the place shape wise and measurement wise and unlike my SB grille tooling, would leave me little room to adjust to desired customer specs, if and when I decide to release them

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That's .......A matched set, should have no issuses there,

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Something else I have noticed over the years. Why are some NOS cones gray and others red in primer Were there different venders making these, or just used what ever primer was on sale that week?

Thanks
Dan

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All of mine have been bare steel in cosmolene. I also have a Bird hood and 70 RR decklid that were delivered in bare steel with no protection.

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So if you have a beyond salvage nose cone and you dont have that piece to transfer over.That I refered to earlier .As in the picture .That might or might not be on your NOS nose.What do you do??

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