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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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This thread is interesting...I run one of those heavy cars ( 3510 lbs ) and find it difficult to cut a good light w/out going deep on the bulb with .400 tree. I do not like to deep stage but it is effective...If we implemented a .500 tree I would not have to do that and would really like the ability to roll some delay into the box...So I am all for a .500 tree.
And agreed big thanks to John Cope for sponsoring this race. Regardless of the tree it is a lot of fun to participate in.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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Changing the rules to a .500 tree would be interesting. I managed to get some .0 lights this past weekend in 10.0. They were in the .060 - .070 range but when you get a .027 strapped on you by a lighter car it's all over real early when someone can drive the stripe. Will continue to run the class either way as I find it a blast.
Kudos to John Cope for sponsoring the class as well! 
I think anywhere from 40-70 is paying attention when you dont have a box and have a heavy car, that is pretty much the range i was in all day in 10.0.
But as you said, when guys go 013 on you, and there is no way in the world you can get a heavy car with no box to do that, as you said its all over.
I say let em keep the boxes if they must, but have the race on a 500 pro tree, like it originally was to begin with.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/20/09 05:17 PM
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I say make it .500 Pro tree and let the fast reacting box boys put some delay in it to go green. I think it will definitely level the playing field.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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Well from reading all the replies, the concensus seems to be most everybody(including the reighing champ, Lonnie)either wants to go 5/10th pro tree, or else is fine if it is changed to that. Hopefully our sponsor, MR Cope, will see this thread and throw his thoughts into this. I think the racing would be much closer, we arent going to lose anybody we currently have, and might gain a couple more guys, if anything
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/20/09 05:47 PM
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Changing the rules to a .500 tree would be interesting. I managed to get some .0 lights this past weekend in 10.0. They were in the .060 - .070 range but when you get a .027 strapped on you by a lighter car it's all over real early when someone can drive the stripe.
I had an .027, was that you?
Boxes? We don't need no stinkin' boxes!
Anyways, I'm cool with a 500 tree. I can finally shallow stage and adjust the t-brake button from there.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/20/09 09:36 PM
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Quaker was suppose to host some 10 flat shootouts this year but it didn't pan out due to track schedule problems. It was gonna be a street car oriented, .500 pro tree, mufflers required, 10.5 tires, glass windows, factory hood scoops, and no lettering allowed on the car. I was so anxious to run that class! But, as we've said before, car count would be a problem at a CC event if you change too many rules. I vote for a .500 regular tree or a .500 pro tree and no delay boxes but that would leave out some good friends and cater towards my own car so I'll just shut up now. 
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/21/09 08:05 AM
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Perhaps a 500 tree might negate the big advantage a lightweight car has to some degree.
That and no delay box would encourage lots more entries, IMO.
Those would not "hurt" any cars and would not give an "advantage" to heavy cars either.
And as I recall NHRA SST and IHRA Hot Rod run on the 0.500 pro tree.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/21/09 09:20 AM
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Perhaps a 500 tree might negate the big advantage a lightweight car has to some degree.
That and no delay box would encourage lots more entries, IMO.
Those would not "hurt" any cars and would not give an "advantage" to heavy cars either.
And as I recall NHRA SST and IHRA Hot Rod run on the 0.500 pro tree.
Allowing delay boxes as well 
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/21/09 12:17 PM
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my thoughts, I made it to the semis in a 3575 lbs car running 10.09 to 10.12, if I ever get the dam car to run 10.Os I will do better. At my home track, I also made it to the final 3 just 4 weeks ago. It also is a .400s tree. I like the ten O just the way it is, FYI = I do NOT make the rules, CC events does. To tell ya th truth, the
"lets change the rules" is getting old and I am sick of it. Thats my thoughts.
Yes you made the semis, but didnt a guy break and not show for first round, and a couple of other "oddities" happen as well? Not lessening your great showing, just stating a fact.
I made the semi's at Norwalk last Sept as well, that doesnt mean the rules shouldnt be looked at if they are skewed after we have been doing this a while and have a chance to see how it is working out for all involved
If i remember correctly, the rules were changed to what they curently are right here on this forum several years ago,by moparts members,(several of whom i think i havent seen race in this event with any regularity if at all), that were the proponents of the 400 tree and allowing delay boxes, and had nothing to do with classic events. Changing what they originally were that first year at Norwalk(.500 tree)...Forgive me for wanting to see them changed, when my input several years ago on this forum was ignored(to leave it alone and keep it like it originally was) and the rules were changed by others on here to what they currently are. ..hey, if they dont get changed, they dont get changed, but from reading this post, the guys who pay the entry fees seem to like keeping everything the same except going to a 500 tree...or did i miss something???
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/21/09 12:23 PM
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John,
I agree the lets change the rules is getting old. For what it is worth I watch all these rounds and see all thess run sheets and find it hard to believe that now that the gap is closing and guys are getting use to the .400 tree that you want to change the rules.
With that being said I will however put this matter of a .500 or a .400 tree to a vote at Norwalk with the only people having a vote being the people who have supported the class this year. You must have raced in 3 of the 4 races this year to have a vote . This vote will happen on sunday and Norwalk.
that rules me out, 2 events is all i can ever get off work for, so good luck guys
FTR..the guys on here(not me)who changed the rules from what they were to what they are now sure didnt if very many instances show up to 3 of 4 events........  (and i hope you rememberr who you were on that thread a few years ago)
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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
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