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Re: Eddy Victor vs. Indy EZ 325 vs. Indy 440-1 [Re: moparniac] #360324
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My 505 motor makes 800+ hp with CNC ported EZ heads and a .700 lift roller cam. It does have 13.5 compression so that would have to be backed off for a pump gas motor. The point is, you don't need to go crazy with the heads to run 9's.

Sit down with the Mopar chassis book and figure out how much power you need to run 9's at your weight and what gear ratio you need to run the speed. Then sort out the engine combo from there.

Remember, NHRA guys can get 318's with QJet carbs to run 9's with factory cast iron heads.

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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.

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My 505 motor makes 800+ hp with CNC ported EZ heads and a .700 lift roller cam. It does have 13.5 compression so that would have to be backed off for a pump gas motor. The point is, you don't need to go crazy with the heads to run 9's.

Sit down with the Mopar chassis book and figure out how much power you need to run 9's at your weight and what gear ratio you need to run the speed. Then sort out the engine combo from there.

Remember, NHRA guys can get 318's with QJet carbs to run 9's with factory cast iron heads.






My max wedge victor headed 505 made 770 hp with bracket porting, mild .700 lift roller and 13.1.
EASY nines in an abody.

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Remember, NHRA guys can get 318's with QJet carbs to run 9's with factory cast iron heads.




I don't know about 9's with almost stock 318's.
Some I know get deep in the 10's. And, it's
what they do to the rest of the car that get's
them to run so quick.


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My 505 motor makes 800+ hp with CNC ported EZ heads and a .700 lift roller cam. It does have 13.5 compression so that would have to be backed off for a pump gas motor. The point is, you don't need to go crazy with the heads to run 9's.

Sit down with the Mopar chassis book and figure out how much power you need to run 9's at your weight and what gear ratio you need to run the speed. Then sort out the engine combo from there.

Remember, NHRA guys can get 318's with QJet carbs to run 9's with factory cast iron heads.






My max wedge victor headed 505 made 770 hp with bracket porting, mild .700 lift roller and 13.1.
EASY nines in an abody.




I wanna stay on pump gas though... my chally (3800lbs)went 10.6/128.3 and @ 13.8 WOT on the wideband its first and only time out with mch indy cnc ez's basically the cnc 295 version with a small 248/254 solid roller .640 net lift.... Im sure it would have went quicker with some tuning... that was on dot's / pump gas and throught the muffs... wonder how much difference the 325 indy ez's witha bigger solid roller would make in a 300lb atleast lighter car I have a brand new custom comp roller made I never got to use and its 260/266 @ 50 and about .650 net lift with 1.7's

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Re: Eddy Victor vs. Indy EZ 325 vs. Indy 440-1 [Re: moparniac] #360330
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You won't need more than 528 cubes, say like mine, at 4.15 stroke 4.500 bore. I would go with a 4.500 bore to help the motor breath, and wish I had feedback for you on the power output of my 440-1 heads with the 2.300 intake valves, but I don't yet. My heads flow 396 at .800 lift, plenty for what you want to do. You just need a cam/rocker/spring combo that will let the heads work, along with pushing the compression to the limit of the fuel you have available. Check out AndyF 's motor combo, and between what he has built, and ideas from mine, you should be deep into the nines with pumpgas.


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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.




If I had a gutted, lexan windowed, big tire, backhalved all out race car that only ran 5.90s to 6.0s in the 1/8 then I'd be embarrassed...but that's just me.

There's a big difference in building a PUMP GAS combo for a HEAVY car than a lightweight high compression combo. CHIP


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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.




If I had a gutted, lexan windowed, big tire, backhalved all out race car that only ran 5.90s to 6.0s in the 1/8 then I'd be embarrassed...but that's just me.

There's a big difference in building a PUMP GAS combo for a HEAVY car than a lightweight high compression combo. CHIP





everyone thinks its so easy to go 9's in a heavy car that runs pump gas.
my 581 Hemi just barely goes in the 9's in bad air and thats pump gas with a .737 cam. 3500lbs.

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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.




If I had a gutted, lexan windowed, big tire, backhalved all out race car that only ran 5.90s to 6.0s in the 1/8 then I'd be embarrassed...but that's just me.

There's a big difference in building a PUMP GAS combo for a HEAVY car than a lightweight high compression combo. CHIP




Yeah Chip, there is a difference. The guy with the heavy, pump gas car spends 3 times the money to run the same ET. Breaks more parts, can afford to go to the track about a third as often, not that that matters, because he's not interested in racing, just getting one big bad timeslip to show off at the cruise-ins....

And what's the infatuation with high 9's with all the street cars, pure ego?? Whats wrong with 10.teens and getting sent home on the occasional perfect air day when you grab that 9 second slip.
NHRA just raised all thier fees, that means more to cert the cage, higher membership, licsense, competition number. Physical every two years, 3 layer jacket and pants, neck collar, gloves, engine diaper, flexplate shield...all that so you can run 9.8 the three times a year you get it to a track.
Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just trying to be a realist. I had a Eddie Rpm headed 440 in my gutted out, big tire, race car for 7 years, well over 650 passes, best of 9.96. Had the best time of my life chasing the NHRA Divisional SST trail, bracket racing, hitting big Mopar races. Never was embarrassed, goin 10.teens, but then I could always turn on the bottle if I needed to show off.
Point is, I could afford to race that car, and race it often. When that engine went away, I got caught up in the wave, and have been building a 514 with ported -1's and a roller..sure, it'll be faster, but the expense has had me on the sidelines since November...and it's driving me CRAZY!


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[ Whats wrong with 10.teens and getting sent home on the occasional perfect air day when you grab that 9 second slip.
NHRA just raised all thier fees, that means more to cert the cage, higher membership, licsense, competition number. Physical every two years, 3 layer jacket and pants, neck collar, gloves, engine diaper, flexplate shield...all that so you can run 9.8 the three times a year you get it to a track.





i agree 100 %

that is why i am perfectly happy with my 10 teens
even though i am told there is a lot more left in my combo .

by the way i use the OTB victors and they were not that big of a deal to use . a little clearancing for push rods and some different intake rockers ($240 from hughes)


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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.




If I had a gutted, lexan windowed, big tire, backhalved all out race car that only ran 5.90s to 6.0s in the 1/8 then I'd be embarrassed...but that's just me.

There's a big difference in building a PUMP GAS combo for a HEAVY car than a lightweight high compression combo. CHIP


believe me chip when i say i surely wasn't thinking about you when i said that. but, the truth is you have more money in your motor than this whole car has in it. this thing just has e-heads and a flat tappet cam. i do believe that "5.90 to 6.0" equates to more than 9,90"s

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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.




If I had a gutted, lexan windowed, big tire, backhalved all out race car that only ran 5.90s to 6.0s in the 1/8 then I'd be embarrassed...but that's just me.

There's a big difference in building a PUMP GAS combo for a HEAVY car than a lightweight high compression combo. CHIP


believe me chip when i say i surely wasn't thinking about you when i said that. but, the truth is you have more money in your motor than this whole car has in it. this thing just has e-heads and a flat tappet cam. i do believe that "5.90 to 6.0" equates to more than 9,90"s




I do have a lot of money in this motor and you're right, it most likely cost more than your whole car, but it does EXACTLY what I intended it to do. Not to mention it's built with some of the best parts you can buy (Callies, Oliver, Diamond, KB, etc.). I can beat on this thing mercilessly, I've done so for the past 3 years, and never have an issue with it. It can handle a lot more than the 825 or so horsepower it's currently making without fear of the bottom end not being up to the task. You could build it much cheaper, but I built it to last, be streetable, and have room to grow when I decide to go faster. Excuse me for having the budget to do that.

It's all in what YOU want. Myself and Wedgie like fast small tire STREET cars that still resemble what left the factory, can fill up with fuel at any corner gas station, and can be driven to the beach for a weekend. Comparing the motor from one of our cars to yours is apples to oranges. In a heavy car that requires pump gas, you need to offset compression and camshaft with cubic inches.

And yes, 5.90s to 6.0's is faster than 9.90's. Mine goes 6.0's in good air running 9.50's. More gear for the 1/8 and it should go into the 5.90's, but I don't want more than the current 4.10s on the street. CHIP


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believe me chip when i say i surely wasn't thinking about you when i said that. but, the truth is you have more money in your motor than this whole car has in it. this thing just has e-heads and a flat tappet cam. i do believe that "5.90 to 6.0" equates to more than 9,90"s




Yea but he has a 70 hemicuda that runs 9.50's... what about the WOW! factor

I just want a single digit pump gas street car... call it an ego? maybe! brag? maybe but its what I want there is probably a 1000 different combos on here....


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"Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just trying to be a realist. I had a Eddie Rpm headed 440 in my gutted out, big tire, race car for 7 years, well over 650 passes, best of 9.96. Had the best time of my life chasing the NHRA Divisional SST trail, bracket racing, hitting big Mopar races. Never was embarrassed, goin 10.teens, but then I could always turn on the bottle if I needed to show off.
Point is, I could afford to race that car, and race it often. When that engine went away, I got caught up in the wave, and have been building a 514 with ported -1's and a roller..sure, it'll be faster, but the expense has had me on the sidelines since November...and it's driving me CRAZY! "

Billy, that is the EXACT reason Im really thinking of keeping the SB in the new Dak. Sure, I could put my 498 in it and run easy mid 9's maybe even some low nines motor only since the truck is a few hundred pounds lighter, with a transbrake, more converter and gear, etc., but why? There will ALWAYS be someone with more money (or debt) that will be faster.

And after running in the 9's, been there done that, it's no biggie...

Instead I may just keep the SB, run 10.9's all day with out all that "extra" stuff with it. And it wont cost me anything more but pulling the heads and doing some port work!

You really put it into good perspective Billy!

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Getting back to the original question....Prosport ran 9.90's with his Dart with what I believe was an Eddy RPM headed 451....So if Wedgie is planning on 540 inches I would say -1's would put him solidly where he wants to be.




Lets hope so....


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He wants a pump gas 9 second anywhere street car. Why would you go smaller CI as Superstocker pointed out it doesnt cost anymore for a big CI engine.If its too fast , put A/C on it and drive in comfort.Aluminum 572 single carb, 10.5 tire and be done with it.

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personally, if i had a 572 this or a 588 that, and it only ran high 9's i would be too embarrassed to tell anyone. but that is just me.




If I had a gutted, lexan windowed, big tire, backhalved all out race car that only ran 5.90s to 6.0s in the 1/8 then I'd be embarrassed...but that's just me.

There's a big difference in building a PUMP GAS combo for a HEAVY car than a lightweight high compression combo. CHIP


believe me chip when i say i surely wasn't thinking about you when i said that. but, the truth is you have more money in your motor than this whole car has in it. this thing just has e-heads and a flat tappet cam. i do believe that "5.90 to 6.0" equates to more than 9,90"s




I do have a lot of money in this motor and you're right, it most likely cost more than your whole car, but it does EXACTLY what I intended it to do. Not to mention it's built with some of the best parts you can buy (Callies, Oliver, Diamond, KB, etc.). I can beat on this thing mercilessly, I've done so for the past 3 years, and never have an issue with it. It can handle a lot more than the 825 or so horsepower it's currently making without fear of the bottom end not being up to the task. You could build it much cheaper, but I built it to last, be streetable, and have room to grow when I decide to go faster. Excuse me for having the budget to do that.

It's all in what YOU want. Myself and Wedgie like fast small tire STREET cars that still resemble what left the factory, can fill up with fuel at any corner gas station, and can be driven to the beach for a weekend. Comparing the motor from one of our cars to yours is apples to oranges. In a heavy car that requires pump gas, you need to offset compression and camshaft with cubic inches.

And yes, 5.90s to 6.0's is faster than 9.90's. Mine goes 6.0's in good air running 9.50's. More gear for the 1/8 and it should go into the 5.90's, but I don't want more than the current 4.10s on the street. CHIP




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I assume you are running an aftermarket block since everyone is suggesting 572 or bigger. If you are planning on running a stock block, I would suggest you stick with a max 512". As for the heads, I would go with the 325 EZ's and pick up some pro part shelf headers. That should get you where you want to be with some extra cash to spare.


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