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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: 65dragnet] #359429
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It's a fabricated means of keeping the engine from moving back and forth in the chassis from the torque of launching when the engine is mounted on a motor plate or elephant ears. Wow that the best way I know how to describe it !LOL I think they are all pretty much home made ,I put mine from the trans ear on the pass. side of trans to the trans crossmember. It's adjustable like a turnbuckle , alot of them I've seen are mounted from engine to frame on the front




Thanks, good description.
I don't have anything like that unless a torque strap helps.

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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359430
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Thanks ,I get a little windy. The torque strap is just limiting movement from side to side and not fore and aft.I don't have a pic of mine or I would show ya maybe some one else will chime in.


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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359431
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Mike didnt you say you have solid engine mounts, if
so you dont need the limiters

Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359432
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mine broke because of slightly bent drive shaft.


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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #359433
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Mike didnt you say you have solid engine mounts, if
so you dont need the limiters



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Yes, I have solid mounts. I thought about that after I posted my last post.. hahaha.


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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359434
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mike did you brake the tail housing like the pic turner posted or did you break it by where it bolts onto the trans case?

Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Jimi_Vignogna] #359435
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mike did you brake the tail housing like the pic turner posted or did you break it by where it bolts onto the trans case?




Its actually a small hairline crack that starts at the speedometer opening and up over and around housing. After a couple runs I was seeing smoke from the trans fluid dripping on the exhaust. Thought it was a bad O ring for the speedo cable. It was not.. I actually made a couple more runs too.. ...


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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359436
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Make sure your pinion angle is derived from the TRANSMISSION CENTERLINE, not the driveshaft.

In other words, make your pinion parallel to the transmission as a base line, then roll the pinion downward (ie. 4) degrees. The purpose of pinion angle is to insure the pinion centerline is parallel to the transmission centerline when the vehicle is under power.

Too much negative pinion angle can cause the U-joints to bind on deceleration. Not enough negative pinion angle can cause the U-joints to bind on acceleration.

Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: DoctorDiff] #359437
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Make sure your pinion angle is derived from the TRANSMISSION CENTERLINE, not the driveshaft.

In other words, make your pinion parallel to the transmission as a base line, then roll the pinion downward (ie. 4) degrees. The purpose of pinion angle is to insure the pinion centerline is parallel to the transmission centerline when the vehicle is under power.

Too much negative pinion angle can cause the U-joints to bind on deceleration. Not enough negative pinion angle can cause the U-joints to bind on acceleration.




Yes, thanks Doc. That was my next question. How to set it up. I changed my response, I see what you mean now. Thanks for your help!

But just to reiterate:

If my transmission angle is 3 degrees + I should adjust my pinion angle to the same 3 degrees. And in this case, at this point, I should turn my pinion down 3 degrees to get the optimal 3 degrees - angle.

Question: When I see the angles are different, as I am sure they will be.. How do I get the pinion to match the transmission angle to start with a baseline.

In the case above, If the trans is 3 degrees + should I just set the pinion to 6 degrees - ?

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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359438
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mike did you brake the tail housing like the pic turner posted or did you break it by where it bolts onto the trans case?




Its actually a small hairline crack that starts at the speedometer opening and up over and around housing. After a couple runs I was seeing smoke from the trans fluid dripping on the exhaust. Thought it was a bad O ring for the speedo cable. It was not.. I actually made a couple more runs too.. ...




When mine let it was on a 12.12 pass. I think it went when I hit 3rd because that's when I smelled smoke. Got back to the pits and I thought the seal had broke to so I checked the level it was only a tad low so I drove it home. The only time I notced leakage was when I nailed it. I got under there w/ a light and noticed it wasn't the seal and it was "bleeding" from the case.


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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #359439
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I measured my driveshaft.. I have 1" 1/16" play from the shaft being bottomed out to where it bolts to the rear yoke. Is this a big enough distance that I should have it shortened?

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Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: Mopar_Mike] #359440
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shortened ?? it's not long enough , you want 3/4" , but get your pinion angle right before dinking with the driveshaft length

Re: Broke 727 Tailshaft... Why? [Re: JohnRR] #359441
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shortened ?? it's not long enough , you want 3/4" , but get your pinion angle right before dinking with the driveshaft length




Yes, sorry, I knew that..


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