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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #336466 06/05/09 08:22 AM 06/05/09 08:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 573 PA 68CudaB1 mopar
68CudaB1 mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 573 PA	Quote: Some of these B-1 M/C Dyno numbers are entertaining at best .Dont get me wrong the B-1 Head can make some good power but I find the numbers a bit high.Maybe some of the big guns will come to the MILAN Heads-up races we have on the frist friday of the month to show off all this horse-power.I would enjoy that for sure. I really would love to go heads up w/ Chuckie, we are gonna try like heck to make it up but in the mean time, how about you guys coming to a RAM race like Chuck stated he and Lane were gonna last year? If we beat Chuck heads up, do we get credit for being a better engine builder??? Just kidding Chuckie.......I would love nothing more than going heads up against BEST MACHINE's B1/MC to see how we fare against the best Mopar engine builder in the Country.......I would love it!!!!! I will be following tonight's Milan race, Chuckie should go 50's no problem in that anticipated air?? Maybe we could call it "The Battle of the Koffel/Hertzog B1MC against the BEST MACHINE B1MC"?? Does Milan require a diaper? If so, that is gonna hamper us coming there but if not there, lets do this 1/2 way between MI and PA......I would love to see this happen And then after that is done, maybe we could go heads up with a PSO engine at weight, just to see Last edited by 68CudaB1; 06/05/09 08:44 AM.

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #336467 06/05/09 08:26 AM 06/05/09 08:26 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 573 PA 68CudaB1 mopar
68CudaB1 mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 573 PA	Did you find out if he is making it on a single 4....not doubting Scott at all, for that matter, I think we have the best set of MC heads out there, and Scott did them....

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: 68CudaB1] #336468 06/05/09 08:53 AM 06/05/09 08:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,610 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,610 Las Vegas	Well it is a shame that some doubt these MC numbers and apparently think they are inflated. Just becuase some cant do it does not mean it cannot be done. BTW didn't Steffs old MC motor make good power? My junk was built by a reputable guy who makes power in every brand of engine he touches, ask around or search the net. I know, the theory must be that it is not possible becuase he aint a Mopar guy "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: Al_Alguire] #336469 06/05/09 10:19 AM 06/05/09 10:19 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan P PETE@BESTMACHINE enthusiast
PETE@BESTMACHINE enthusiast P Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan	Like I said the B-1 Head does make good power, I think 1100-1200 with a single carb is a stretch. Steffs engine had originals on it and it made 1019HP on the dyno we use. I know, we just need a different dyno. Al, I think your engine makes good power also. We dyno tested Chucks M/C 572 and it make 1065HP and the first time out it ran 8.60s at 3415lbs.We did finish one PSO head engine for the thief that did work for us a short time. It had his cam design and a block with 8 sleeve and lower compression than we wanted. Air pump pulled no vac also. Because of his low life actions that we found out at the end of the build, we just put the parts he had on and finished it. It Made 1100 with out tuning and zero crankcase vacuum with a single carb. www.BestMachineRacing.com

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #336470 06/05/09 10:52 AM 06/05/09 10:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,610 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,610 Las Vegas	Sorry to hear you guys had issues with the PSO deal. Those heads seem like a good piece for sure would have like to see what the true potential of them is. FWIW the engine in my car went 8.66 in Chris's car at 3400+ as well on its 3rd full race pass. Then I bought it. As for numbers from my car, they dont mean as much, it is an apples and oranges comparison as my heap is in no way like either Chris' or Chuck's(one of my favorites here), or Steff's cars. It does run 10+mph faster in my car and is .5+ quicker than it was in Chris' but it is also not in it's power band either now with my glide and gearing. My car is 2860 right now. I guess ultimately the question here has been answered, when spraying an engine ANY of the aforementioned heads will get what he wants. It has been proven over and over again that on the bottle anything from a -1 head on "up" will make that kind of power. Look at what Wes did with the Dart, a solid 900+hp piece then add the bottle and go racing...WoooHooo "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #336471 06/05/09 11:10 AM 06/05/09 11:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	Quote: Don't be such HATERS.. that's not the case. i HAVE a set of b1's and have delt with Scott a little. i have no ax to grind and am not bashing anyone. i'm sure they do work hard to chase HP i just don't think they're going to surpass every other push rod engine development program out there. think about what you're saying. what are NHRA prostockers making now 1350-1400HP? that's with every trick they can throw at them including monster induction systems. these guys would sell body parts and family members for 5 HP. now you're saying they're 100-150HP short of what can be done with lesser parts.

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: jamesc] #336472 06/05/09 03:07 PM 06/05/09 03:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 189 long island new york K kingdust member
kingdust member K Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 189 long island new york	That's true,but prostock has a cube limit. Any of these motors that are mentioned on here are all over 500 inches (probably closer to 600) imagine if nhra changed the limit to 600 the power they would be making! Look at SS/HA, wescott has to be making 1000HP with like 438 cubes and cast iron heads and 2 measly holleys. I know there is a ton of RnD involved but still its very impressive. LIFE IS A LESSON,YOU LEARN IT WHEN YOUR THROUGH!

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: kingdust] #336473 06/05/09 04:00 PM 06/05/09 04:00 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan B1Fish540 master
B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Koffels does know a little about building pro stock motors. Thats basicly what this motor Chris is talking about is. The TS heads are an older version of a pro stock head... no, they cant compare to drce III or something like that, but they are darn close. And likely the perfect head for this small ci combo.

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: kingdust] #336474 06/05/09 08:06 PM 06/05/09 08:06 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,097 back in Georgia dthemi master
dthemi master Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,097 back in Georgia	Quote: That's true,but prostock has a cube limit. Any of these motors that are mentioned on here are all over 500 inches (probably closer to 600) imagine if nhra changed the limit to 600 the power they would be making! Look at SS/HA, wescott has to be making 1000HP with like 438 cubes and cast iron heads and 2 measly holleys. I know there is a ton of RnD involved but still its very impressive. If they raised the CI limit the power per inch would go down.

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: dthemi] #336475 06/05/09 10:11 PM 06/05/09 10:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 189 long island new york K kingdust member
kingdust member K Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 189 long island new york	your right, i really wasn't thinking about that in my last post. i do think you can get to 1200 with a single carb ( with alot of money and r/d) but that extra 200 or 300 HP to get prostock level i dont think so unless you do a mountain motor (IHRA) cubes. has anybody done something like 700 or 800 cube single carb engine? i guess it would be a waste of time if you had to have a sheetmetal intake made and only put 1 dom on. unless thier are class restrictions. i love N/A motors but ( and i hate to say it) the easiest way to get that extra HP is SPRAY. LIFE IS A LESSON,YOU LEARN IT WHEN YOUR THROUGH!

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: kingdust] #336476 06/05/09 11:36 PM 06/05/09 11:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan H Hemiroid super stock
Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	I'm facing the mopar reality check atm myself. I have St. V heads @490 cfm. I would really like to make a run at a ALL Motor class engine, but the lack of a good single 4 cast intake make it tough. I'm not sure how far Milan will allow you to mod a cast manifold, I don't see anything in the rules restricting you. If I can figure out a modded cast manifold, would you think a 15:1, 605 Hemi with those heads, Ti valves, the right cam and springs make 1100ish? I may just screw it together and mess with different manifolds, but anyone with any experience in this department would be great to hear from!

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: dragula426] #336477 06/08/09 09:22 PM 06/08/09 09:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 84 West Virginia dodgepuller member
dodgepuller member Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 84 West Virginia	Well hope I do this right. But here's the numbers on my motor. 410ci single 4 bbl. 5280902-dynosheet.rtf (231 downloads)

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: dodgepuller] #336478 06/08/09 09:31 PM 06/08/09 09:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 84 West Virginia dodgepuller member
dodgepuller member Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 84 West Virginia	Scott had almost 200 hrs. in the building of this motor. Will have some pictures soon. I'm going to try it out in the truck this Friday night at Goshen Ohio.

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: dodgepuller] #336479 06/09/09 12:19 AM 06/09/09 12:19 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,132 Cleveland sunroofgtx I Live Here
sunroofgtx I Live Here Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,132 Cleveland	Quote: Scott had almost 200 hrs. in the building of this motor. Will have some pictures soon. I'm going to try it out in the truck this Friday night at Goshen Ohio. Good Luck Bob. Can you please get some good pics. We'd love to use them on the FireCore50 website !! Thanks, and good luck !! I hear you really made some steam !!! Do you need some stickers for the truck ?? Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: dodgepuller] #336480 06/09/09 01:32 AM 06/09/09 01:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona C Chris'sBarracuda master
Chris'sBarracuda master C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona	Quote: Well hope I do this right. But here's the numbers on my motor. 410ci single 4 bbl. Koffel's Place II 740 River Road Huron, OH 44839 419.433.4410 Date 05-20-2009 Time 15:04:31 T15:04 D05-20 customer :bob& Jackie martie 1 10 gts 20-50 brad penn 2 msd 7al-2 w/hvc coil 3 vp c-14+ 4 dyno 2.375-2.5 x 5 headers 5 neal t/s single 4 bbl 6 book dominator 7 truck water system 8 33.0 timing 9 firecore wires 10 dailey drysump w/charlies pan 11 mopar dist locked out 12 crank trigger FileName : MOPARBB9, Mode : A -Sweep ,D36 Speed C_TQ C Power A/F A/F BSFC C.F. OilPresWater RPM Ibft C HP Left Right Ib/hphr Psi Deg F 6500 493.3 611 13.39 13.03 .315 1.043 79.1 84 6600 549 690 13.38 13.02 .318 1.043 79.2 84 6700 563 718 13.42 13 .291 1.043 79.5 84 6800 574 743 13.48 13.02 .284 1.043 79.7 84 6900 585 769 13.7 13.11 .284 1.043 79.9 84 7000 595 793 13.83 13.11 .284 1.043 80.2 84 7100 602 813 13.94 13.12 .285 1.043 80.4 84 7200 606 831 13.96 13.12 .283 1.043 80.7 84 7300 608 845 14.01 13.03 .287 1.043 80.9 84 7400 610 860 14.03 12.98 .286 1.043 81 84 7500 611 873 14.01 12.93 .293 1.043 81.1 84 7600 614 889 13.96 12.95 .288 1.043 81.4 84 7700 616 903 13.9 12.99 .299 1.043 81.6 84 7800 619 920 13.91 13.16 .295 1.043 81.7 84 7900 622 936 13.84 13.14 .296 1.043 81.9 84 8000 627 955 13.83 13.11 .302 1.043 82.1 84 8100 631 973 13.76 13.09 .296 1.043 82.3 84 8200 638 996 13.76 13.15 .299 1.043 82.7 84 8300 647 1023 13.79 13.24 .289 1.043 83 84 8400 655 1047 13.8 13.29 .278 1.043 83.1 84 8500 663 1072 13.81 13.33 .268 1.043 83.3 84 8600 669 1096 13.85 13.32 .268 1.043 83.6 84 8700 675 1118 13.89 13.36 .273 1.043 83.8 84 8800 679 1137 13.91 13.36 .265 1.043 84 84 8900 681 1154 13.94 13.34 .261 1.043 84.2 84 9000 683 1171 13.95 13.41 .269 1.043 84.6 84 9100 683 1184 13.96 13.42 .276 1.043 84.9 84 [ Average data ] 7800 622 930 13.82 13.15 .286 1.043 81.8 84 [ Inertia factor ] 1.42 [ Time ] 4 Sees Thank you for posting those numbers.... I was thinking that I didn't hear Scott right.. But I'm sorry that it wasn't 2.9 hp per ci. like I had said. It looks like it was 2.895 per ci. Looks like the numbers were still going up, up, up too.. And YES.. A single 4bbl.. Super Nice job Scott.. Chris..

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #336481 06/09/09 02:58 AM 06/09/09 02:58 AM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan B1Fish540 master
B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Chris is that a sheet metal intake...i know it must be,,i think Monte smith is the only one to try to make a cast intake for TS haeds(IIRC, he made it from a Big chief) Well I dont think it would take too many more cubes to push it over 1200 HP!

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: B1Fish540] #336482 06/09/09 03:03 AM 06/09/09 03:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,936 Finalnd, Perkele J jyrki master
jyrki master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,936 Finalnd, Perkele	I'm by no means an expert, but looking for example at the Ib/hphr numbers, maybe the dyno could be a bit happier than an average dyno? Plynouth VIP '67 TT IC EFI

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: B1Fish540] #336483 06/09/09 05:19 AM 06/09/09 05:19 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona C Chris'sBarracuda master
Chris'sBarracuda master C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona	Quote: Chris is that a sheet metal intake...i know it must be,,i think Monte smith is the only one to try to make a cast intake for TS heads(IIRC, he made it from a Big chief) Well I don't think it would take too many more cubes to push it over 1200 HP! David.. It looks like it just needed about 200 more rpm to get there (1200hp) at the rate of hp increase per 100rpm. I don't know yet about the intake. But they are going to post pics. I should be a profit.. ( Happy Dyno ) already said.. Chris..

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #336484 06/09/09 05:50 AM 06/09/09 05:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,936 Finalnd, Perkele J jyrki master
jyrki master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,936 Finalnd, Perkele	Like I said, I'm by no means an expert, but don�t believe a lot in miracles and the BSFC numbers are pretty exceptional. I agree, that perhaps building Pro Stock engines might bring better income. Anyway, no matter how well the numbers hold true, it still looks like an excellent engine. Even the torque numbers are still climbing at 9100 rpm, and at that point they are already at the best Pro Stock level per cu in. The engine produces more hp per cu in than a typical 358 Pro Stock truck engine, and that with a single four. I'm not a great believer in miracles, but perhaps after all they do happen. Until run at the track with exceptional performance or duplicating hte numbers in another dyno I don't quite swallow those numbers. Not that it matters any. Plynouth VIP '67 TT IC EFI

Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies??? [Re: jyrki] #336485 06/09/09 03:02 PM 06/09/09 03:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada D Diablo super stock
Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	Great work Koffles!!! Truck pulling makes some of the biggest N/A power out there!! Only real problem with pulling is can;t test much at the track to figure out HP numbers.

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