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ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? #336144
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Obviously no one repops 'vert rear quarters. So...

should one just get the skins that are out there?

Or cut down some AMD rear quarters and if so, do you cut them right below the top body line?

Or do you actually use the top portion of the quarter and cut around the 'vert well/moulding area?

I'm concerned the skins are such thin POSs and fit like garbage, but full quarters would be overkill???

I definitely do not want to cut right in the middle of the middle body line, even though the tops of the rear quarters are good. It's not like Challengers where using the top part makes sense with such a hard body line down the middle.

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Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336145
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Not sure what to do, but save the part that is left - someone on here is always saying they should repop the rear window gutter

I would go with the fulls, I think they are thicker, and better more crisp lines...

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Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336146
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Buy the AMD full qtrs, "measure twice, cut once"......do the car right, no skins, fabricate your own convertible qtrs from the AMD's.........or pony up $7-$10K for NOS verts

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336147
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I'm in the same boat,can anyone say too what point the AMD full quarters are the same as a vert,what part needs fabbed, anyone got nos quarter photos to share to compare ? Thanks !

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 420duster] #336148
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If the top part of your quarters are good, cut and flange them below the middle body line.

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If the top part of your quarters are good, cut and flange them below the middle body line.

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ON a 'Cuda, the middle body line is right there at the top of the wheel well opening. NO way you can cut the quarter there; won't be any metal left to flange. It's not a Challenger, which is what I did for that; only used the bottom half of the repop skin.

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336150
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So on the Challenger vert you cut and flanged the old quater and did not butt weld?
At what point on the orginal quater did you do it?
You have a Cuda Vert as well?

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 340SIX] #336151
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Been here myself...The shape of the hardtop quarters at the base of the "c" pillar is the same as 'verts. You can verify with some carefull checking. Here is how I altered a nos hardtop quarter to fit my vert.

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Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: koak] #336152
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oops, pics too big. E-mail me if you would like to see the shots....

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I do metal and full restorations on mopar cars only at my shop in Ohio and here is how I would do it and yes AMD is the Metal I use. The top of the 1/4 is going to be cut then crimped like factory, very easy as long as you locate what I call targets point's of measuring reference on 1st the oem panel then 2nd the same on the new one and cut and crimp. Then undrill the panel at the factory spot welds along the crip area and I spot weld them back on at factory weld locations but key to a good job is always make it how it was.
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Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 340SIX] #336154
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So on the Challenger vert you cut and flanged the old quater and did not butt weld?
At what point on the orginal quater did you do it?
You have a Cuda Vert as well?




Yes, on the Chally, butt-welded:








As far as 'Cuda 'vert, yeah, picked up a 383-auto, B5/white int/top, PW/AC car:







Needs trunk pan, bit of rocker work, and MAYBE (haven't taken the paint/bondo off yet) rear quarters.

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336155
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I would remove only the roof portion off a full amd quarter.This way there's less welding .Cut the quarter where this one was welded and you should be fine

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336156
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If the top part of your quarters are good, cut and flange them below the middle body line.

logan426




ON a 'Cuda, the middle body line is right there at the top of the wheel well opening. NO way you can cut the quarter there; won't be any metal left to flange. It's not a Challenger, which is what I did for that; only used the bottom half of the repop skin.




Sorry I flanged above the body line,it worked
fine.

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Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: koak] #336157
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Been here myself...The shape of the hardtop quarters at the base of the "c" pillar is the same as 'verts. You can verify with some carefull checking. Here is how I altered a nos hardtop quarter to fit my vert.



This pic would not fully load, can you post again?


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Sorry, I can't post the pics because they are too big. If you send me note, I can e-mail them to you. What I did, after allot of carefull measuring and test fitting a hardtop 1/4 to my 'vert, was, remove the existing quarters at the spot welds. I then cut the flanged section that mates to the top well, just beyond the zee bend and around the entire top of the 1/4 to the door opening off the 'vert 1/4. I then transfered the measurements to the new 1/4, in my case an nos hardtop piece, and cut the new 1/4 to match the old. I then but welded the top well flange to the new 1/4. There is also some re-forming and trimming of the area the mates to the "dutchman" panel (between the top and trunk) required. It fits perfectly. I believe that when these 1/4 were formed originally, they probably used multiple dies, and the hardtop and 'vert panels shared at lease a couple of die hits before becoming hardtop or 'vert specific. I could be wrong, but can tell you that from the top well down, except for the "dtuchman' joint, they are the same.

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #336159
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Rob,......not that big of a "project",.........while I was involved in my last project with Gary and Pam Benkie, the 71 convertible GTX,....a friend "loaned" us his convertible cuda and challenger for study,.....amongs the interest in how a vert is built,....was how to convert hardtop qtrs to verts, which we had to do to the 71 B body,....also a few friends had E body verts needing qtrs,...seeing that NOS cost $7500- $10K for a pair that's a lot of cabbage!,..........making the cut, and where to measure are your first concerns,....your doing the Cuda, use the AMD hardtop skins only, no Goodmarks!.......I assume your exsisting qtrs are on the car, if not find a "donor" for this procedure,......at your local hardware store, buy the HEAVIEST grade of adhesive shelf paper,....what the wifey uses to line the kitchen shelves,......now lay this from the top fender line contouring it up the the verts well edge, trim it off so that it fully contours all the angles and curves,....if you bought the heavy gauge shelf paper, it will not distort when you remove it, plus the adhesive is very mild,...now transfer the vinyl "template" to the hardtop qtr, these are your exact cut lines,....no guessing, no FUBAR!.....to form the stepped trim area at the top of the well, a airpowered flanging tool will do the job, if you can purchase/borrow one with a 1" flange offset,....or if your extremely good with hammer and dolly, you could "bump" the offset well flange into the cut qrts top edge.....goodluck on your project



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Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

May have to try that thick contact paper trick.

Re: ebody 'Cuda 'vert rear quarter change...skin? full Qs? [Re: MLR426] #336161
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If the top part of your quarters are good, cut and flange them below the middle body line.

logan426




ON a 'Cuda, the middle body line is right there at the top of the wheel well opening. NO way you can cut the quarter there; won't be any metal left to flange. It's not a Challenger, which is what I did for that; only used the bottom half of the repop skin.




Sorry I flanged above the body line,it worked
fine.

logan426



Flanging is an amatuer method that was acceptable in 1989,but in 2009 nobody would want that on anything but a 20 footer

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If the top part of your quarters are good, cut and flange them below the middle body line.

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ON a 'Cuda, the middle body line is right there at the top of the wheel well opening. NO way you can cut the quarter there; won't be any metal left to flange. It's not a Challenger, which is what I did for that; only used the bottom half of the repop skin.




Sorry I flanged above the body line,it worked
fine.

logan426



Flanging is an amatuer method that was acceptable in 1989,but in 2009 nobody would want that on anything but a 20 footer




True. Don't do flanging w/overlaps and only do butt-welds

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your doing the Cuda, use the AMD hardtop skins only,



Mike




No need for the full quarters then? Just cut and butt-weld at the top just below the edge of the quarters?

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