Re: Aluminum main cap designs
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My guess was it was a robust bar long enough to span the pan rails with threaded holes each end w/long enough threaded bolts and a center hole to grab the cap, and the end bolts lift off the cap as the bolts are turned down is what I imagined. The pics others share will tell. That's exactly like what I made, I also welded on some flat plate to prevent the bolts marking the pan rails
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Re: Aluminum main cap designs
[Re: Jerry]
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01/26/25 06:59 PM
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With all due respect, not sure I can accept the term "flaw" here. All Alum fatigues over use. My knowledge is much different than you have related. I am and have always been suspicious of those who steer towards 6061 vs 7075 for similar "common sense" reasons you share but in reality, it's just maybe that 7075 is so darn expensive and harder to source. " Key takeaways: 6061: Moderate strength, excellent corrosion resistance, good workability, cost-effective.
7075: High strength, superior fatigue resistance, less corrosion resistant, harder to work with, more expensive.
Key Difference: 7075 is 84% stronger but 20-40% pricier. Choose 7075 for maximum strength, 6061 for better workability and cost-effectiveness." https://aluminummetalsupply.com/6061-vs-7075/Got any sources to support your position, please share.
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Re: Aluminum main cap designs
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01/27/25 06:53 AM
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i'm not disputing the fact that 7075 is a stronger material. as was mentioned 2024 is also in the mix. we could also go an use a 5086 material, or why stop at the aluminums? we can use 4340 steel or if we need to go lighter weight can make titanium caps. there is plenty of relatively inexpensive titanium on the market these days coming from china. i dont know how good it is but its probably stronger than 7075. the main take away, you use the material that fits the application. in this case both 6061 and 7075 are stronger than the cast iron cap they are replacing and stronger than the cast iron of the main webbing. if we were seeing cracked caps in 6061 then we would have to switch to 7075 or something else. but in reality we aren't, none of these engines being put together are being built the same in a production environment, and it's impossible to get a baseline in terms of power uses and longevity with identical tunes etc. all of us are pushing the envelope. if a max effort design was being attempted and money was no object an aftermarket block probably makes sense, but then so would making titanium caps. we are trying to lessen the impact on the bottom main webbing of the block. for this to happen its more important to trace the stress path. with our girdle caps and even the stock replacement caps we make, the stress path is through the cap and into the girdle finally into the oil pan rail. not through the main webbing through the caps into the bolts and then maybe into a girdle and then the oil pan rail.
also this is the main reason not to use the cross bolted caps where you have to machine away the factory main webbing supports as this changes the stress path of the main block itself.
so in closing its more important to look at the overall design of the cap and how it fits the application more so that just the material type itself. there can always be a case made from look its stronger/harder/whatever, but that may not be the best for the application either.
btw we source our aluminum from the USA for these caps. and furthermore, we can make our caps out of 7075 with a custom order and will price them accordingly. we have made alot of custom application in the past and have even made caps from 5086 and an aluminum version of our girdle.
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Re: Aluminum main cap designs
[Re: Jerry]
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01/27/25 08:41 AM
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" if we were seeing cracked caps in 6061 then we would have to switch to 7075 "That would pretty much answer the whole question right there.
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