Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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100% correct. At the time of the bogus bankruptcy I was working for a supplier that made equipment for them. The number of companies that they shafted in the process was beyond crazy. And yet, they washed their hands of all kind of debt, taxpayers picked up the cost of clean-up of many of their toxic plant sites and they came out a 'brand new' company and still remain. I will buy NOTHING from them.
You left out the shareholders who's stock became worthless, yet 12 or so months later they are allowed to re issue NEW stock with ZERO compensation to the previous shareholders. Talk about screwing and corruption We have to be careful or this will get real political, real quick. This all happened under a certain administration. The UAW was made MORE than whole, but the stockholders and salaried workers took it in the rear.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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And then the Rotten Thieves got their old stock symbol back. Unreal. Shame on anyone that owns their products. Nice to see a few of you haven't forgotten and are well-informed.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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And then the Rotten Thieves got their old stock symbol back. Unreal. Shame on anyone that owns their products. Nice to see a few of you haven't forgotten and are well-informed. I still fume about them. Pathetic cannot describe what I think about that organization. The politics of their bankruptcy and how they washed their hands of 'old' GM warranty issues and the steering debacle (you have to remember the locking of the columns while people were driving them that caused hundreds of injuries and deaths..). Americans should be ashamed, but most have very short memories.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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100% correct. At the time of the bogus bankruptcy I was working for a supplier that made equipment for them. The number of companies that they shafted in the process was beyond crazy. And yet, they washed their hands of all kind of debt, taxpayers picked up the cost of clean-up of many of their toxic plant sites and they came out a 'brand new' company and still remain. I will buy NOTHING from them.
You left out the shareholders who's stock became worthless, yet 12 or so months later they are allowed to re issue NEW stock with ZERO compensation to the previous shareholders. Talk about screwing and corruption We have to be careful or this will get real political, real quick. This all happened under a certain administration. The UAW was made MORE than whole, but the stockholders and salaried workers took it in the rear. As did some other financial woes. In every case the big boys walked without so much as a slap on the wrist. There may have been a few that P'd somebody off that were fall guys, but very few. I have often thought these individuals should be stripped of all assets with possessions liquidated at public auctions and jailed and not at a resort. Any family members that cannot prove where there possessions and assets came from would be subject to the same. PG&E fires in Northern ca. a few years back/ SOS. nothing above is meant to be political. please delete if it is found to be
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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Short memories, indeed, OldJonny: It was a 5 cent investment needed in the ignition column that caused the issue, and the Assembly Line Workers warned them there would be a problem. At first, gm blamed Driver error. Then, they blamed Owners: too many keys on the keychain Then, they admitted it, and said it was minor issue. Under pressure, they admitted there may have been injuries. After trying to sweep it under the rug by dragging the issue out, deaths and injuries started to make the News. From what I remember gm said only 3 deaths. Later, 7. Much later 13. They lied: the number was over 120 deaths. Who else uses the same Game Plan? toyota...EVERY TIME they make a mistake they blame their Customers. Most notably, their "unintended acceleration" drive-by-wire deaths. I'm convinced either toyota owns gm or gm owns toyota. Say what you want about Chrysler Corporation, but, nobody has been killed by one due to Chrysler's deliberate Negligence.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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A Broken Culture A top-down management style where dissent is unwelcome. Employees tell leaders what they want to hear, and opportunities often go to the most compliant, not the most qualified.
I'm 62. Thats every single company I have ever worked for. Funny thing is I ment a venture capitalist once that woulkd buy failing businesses and turn them around. He said all he needed to do was have a long talk with the workers to find the root of the problem. Last company I worked for, I would review serious issues I saw while on service calls or in the field (I designed and programmed the electrical controls for $1m industrial machines that made car parts). I watched grown adult men cry because we had shipped them a POS industrial automation machine knowing it may cost them theire jobs. In follow up meetings, I ALWAYS tried to offer very reasonable solutions or fixes. Not just bring up problems. I was told to never bring up issues in our Mon morning meetings anymore. I quit attending them and STOOPID company xmas dinners and "team building" BS get togethers. These people were not my friends. They were coworkers. It was the same everywhere. I would pick up cans on the sides of the highway before I'd ever work for someone ever again. I tell every young person I can to NEVER work for the man. Or at least keep planning an exit. But even my own 3 kids are a slave to a paycheck. No ballz.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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I'm 62. Thats every single company I have ever worked for. Funny thing is I ment a venture capitalist once that woulkd buy failing businesses and turn them around. He said all he needed to do was have a long talk with the workers to find the root of the problem.
Last company I worked for, I would review serious issues I saw while on service calls or in the field (I designed and programmed the electrical controls for $1m industrial machines that made car parts). I watched grown adult men cry because we had shipped them a POS industrial automation machine knowing it may cost them theire jobs. In follow up meetings, I ALWAYS tried to offer very reasonable solutions or fixes. Not just bring up problems. I was told to never bring up issues in our Mon morning meetings anymore. I quit attending them and STOOPID company xmas dinners and "team building" BS get togethers. These people were not my friends. They were coworkers. It was the same everywhere.
I would pick up cans on the sides of the highway before I'd ever work for someone ever again. I tell every young person I can to NEVER work for the man. Or at least keep planning an exit. But even my own 3 kids are a slave to a paycheck. No ballz.
I would question if it's a matter of balls. I think it is more related to talent. As a personal example I've been asked why I don't take care of my personal investments, I'm a smart guy, why do I pay someone to do it for me? Answer. Because I suck at it. By the time I would develop enough expertise to do it myself I would have nothing left to invest. Some people have it and thrive on their own, some people don't and are a "slave to a paycheck". I was in the latter.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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I'm 62. Thats every single company I have ever worked for. Funny thing is I ment a venture capitalist once that woulkd buy failing businesses and turn them around. He said all he needed to do was have a long talk with the workers to find the root of the problem.
Last company I worked for, I would review serious issues I saw while on service calls or in the field (I designed and programmed the electrical controls for $1m industrial machines that made car parts). I watched grown adult men cry because we had shipped them a POS industrial automation machine knowing it may cost them theire jobs. In follow up meetings, I ALWAYS tried to offer very reasonable solutions or fixes. Not just bring up problems. I was told to never bring up issues in our Mon morning meetings anymore. I quit attending them and STOOPID company xmas dinners and "team building" BS get togethers. These people were not my friends. They were coworkers. It was the same everywhere.
I would pick up cans on the sides of the highway before I'd ever work for someone ever again. I tell every young person I can to NEVER work for the man. Or at least keep planning an exit. But even my own 3 kids are a slave to a paycheck. No ballz.
I would question if it's a matter of balls. I think it is more related to talent. As a personal example I've been asked why I don't take care of my personal investments, I'm a smart guy, why do I pay someone to do it for me? Answer. Because I suck at it. By the time I would develop enough expertise to do it myself I would have nothing left to invest. Some people have it and thrive on their own, some people don't and are a "slave to a paycheck". I was in the latter. I agree to a point but cutting grass, cleaning houses, removing bulk trash, etc. I used to live in an old money neighborhoold where there were millionaire neighrs doing all of these. Like Hemi Joel above. Worked for a flat roofing company for a while then said, why should I make THAT guy rich. Not rocket science. Now HE'S rich. Have one guy I met when I was 27 and he was 17 in community college and mentored. His business now, 200 people, offices around the world, 80,000ft office building, multiple home, U of M drop out. https://intrepidcs.com/Doable. If smart enough to do something for an employer and worth it to them to pay you $100k then definately smart enough to do it yourself - as long as you don't have a big motgage, multiple cars, snow mobiles, cottage, boat, vactions on credit cards. My buddy with the company above still wears Kirkland (Costco) coats but has a place in Key West.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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"If smart enough to do something for an employer and worth it to them to pay you $100k then definately smart enough to do it yourself "
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. Again, it's not a question of intelligence but of talent. I was making over $100k annually when I retired and there is no way I could ever have made that on my own. I would have made an excellent XO in another life but would have been a failure as a captain. If you need something done, I'll get it done for you but as to having the imagination to determine what to do? Some people have it, some don't. I don't.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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Short memories, indeed, OldJonny: It was a 5 cent investment needed in the ignition column that caused the issue, and the Assembly Line Workers warned them there would be a problem. At first, gm blamed Driver error. Then, they blamed Owners: too many keys on the keychain Then, they admitted it, and said it was minor issue. Under pressure, they admitted there may have been injuries. After trying to sweep it under the rug by dragging the issue out, deaths and injuries started to make the News. From what I remember gm said only 3 deaths. Later, 7. Much later 13. They lied: the number was over 120 deaths. Who else uses the same Game Plan? toyota...EVERY TIME they make a mistake they blame their Customers. Most notably, their "unintended acceleration" drive-by-wire deaths. I'm convinced either toyota owns gm or gm owns toyota.Say what you want about Chrysler Corporation, but, nobody has been killed by one due to Chrysler's deliberate Negligence. So true with Toyota the floor mat held the accelerator down and caused the car to speed out of control......... I actually have a 2021 Highlander and I think its a pretty good car. When I take it in for service every invoice has check off " floor mat inspected and secure"........LOL
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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It was terrible!!!
It was so terrible, he stayed 45 years.
How many people don't even get a chance to be alive for 45 years, let alone make a fat paycheck somewhere, climb a corporate ladder and collect a pension?
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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It was terrible!!!
It was so terrible, he stayed 45 years.
How many people don't even get a chance to be alive for 45 years, let alone make a fat paycheck somewhere, climb a corporate ladder and collect a pension?
Meh.
GREAT reply!
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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It was terrible!!!
It was so terrible, he stayed 45 years.
How many people don't even get a chance to be alive for 45 years, let alone make a fat paycheck somewhere, climb a corporate ladder and collect a pension?
This is pretty much spot-on IMO. It was obvious the GM business model was an epic fail in the 1980s. Way worse than most Fortune 100 companies. Employees either chose to milk it to the end, or they were just plain dumb. They were well compensated either way.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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It was terrible!!!
It was so terrible, he stayed 45 years.
How many people don't even get a chance to be alive for 45 years, let alone make a fat paycheck somewhere, climb a corporate ladder and collect a pension?
Meh.
GREAT reply! Years ago - I was infected with the - woe is me - disease of not reaching my total blue bird of happiness level at my job Then I realized, I worked in a nice office, my inner group of co-workers were all good to be with, and the lunchroom - with occasional treats - was just outside my door And as long as i got my work done, and stayed clear of certain sites - I could cruise around the web I finally realized how lucky I really was and stopped whining
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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I can see when passion and the drive that typically accompanies it is removed, that things would get easier. If easier is the goal and one is satisfied with that.
But for some, passion is a key if not indispensable part of life. Just 'doing the job' is not enough. But that is with the understanding that taking that tougher passionate road is not for everyone. And that's okay, too.
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Re: Reflections on a 45 Year Career with GM
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I just left the employ of a GM dealership.
For every GM person who will be helpful, responsive, and know what they are talking about when there is an issue, there are 4 or 5 who won't.
And every time I go to work at a dealership, I think, "They can't be as bad as the last people", and they end up being worse.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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