Re: 400 Motor home block?
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Well, there is such a thing as a "motorhome" block. It means it came in a motorhome. But I don't guess it's any better than a regular block. It is made from the same casting. It is described in the Mopar B/RB handbook. It has 2 "steam holes" in the deck under each exhaust port similar to a 426 Hemi. This is why those 2 holes are there when you buy a head gasket for a wedge. (Look at your wedge head gasket.) But that doesn't mean that all motorhomes had a "motorhome block". Don't confuse this with the Very Heavy Main Web 230 block that was made up until approximately 10-10-71. Which is what you should use to build a 1000 horsepower wedge if you are not using an aftermarket block.
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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12/21/24 01:12 PM
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No such thing as a motorhome block but I'm not going to bash those guys too hard since they are running a lot of my parts on that engine! Chrysler just produced blocks. Some went into cars, some into police cars, some into trucks, some into motorhomes. The same exact castings got used everywhere. Some got stamped HP, some got stamped T, etc. Mopar did not use any 400 motors in any motorhome chassis that I know of or have heard of: up:
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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12/22/24 05:04 AM
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Well, I disagree. There is a 440 block that went specifically into SOME motor homes. Mostly the later ones. I’ve got one at the shop. I, unknowingly, bought it new as a short block when Mopar was selling things cheap in the 80’s. It is just machined differently with the ,as mentioned above, steam holes. Ironically, it does not have the heads listed as “ motorhome “ with the special casting number. Those are 213 if I remember correctly. These blocks are matted from the factory with a specifically machined 452 casting. It has the same “steam holes” . Many a motor home has gotten hot before all head gaskets started being produced with those holes. It was not known to get those spec gaskets for a motor home application. These 452 heads also had the smaller tapered seat spark plugs. I can personally testify that my 3/4 ton truck with that block and a set of 906 heads would run very hot on a summer day. My buddy had the same block and head combo that did the same thing. I ended up pulling mine out . He just re-blocked his car to solve his problem. Now the last time this conversation came up( and it seems to do that a lot), some old tech on here said there was a special water pump housing and thermostat that went with that combo and most people did not know that. I don’t know about that but I would not be surprised. Down here in the Texas heat, we were always hearing of some guy burning up his 440 motor home engine.
Now, I’ve never heard of a “400” motor home block.
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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12/23/24 03:09 PM
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I have seen 413 industrial motors in Class A motorhomes and other applications like generator power plants ,marine and H.D. (5 ton+) trucks. Those blocks have a bunch of extra reinforcing ribs on the lower sides between the oil pan rails and the bottom of the cylinder walls
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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The only block that I've personally seen which I couldn't explain was a 426 Wedge block with cross bolted mains. I was told it was for NASCAR applications. I didn't have a camera with me when I saw it (before cell phones were invented) so I didn't get a picture. Guy who was selling Mopar stuff out of his garage had the block sitting in a corner. It was a wedge block but had a Hemi bottom end. Wish I had some pictures of it. There is no record of Mopar ever producing a block like that so it must have been "back channel" or something? Yes, NASCAR block, circa 1971-72. They were just discussed on here a couple months ago.
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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12/24/24 11:30 AM
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The 400 block I am running is "supposedly" a "motorhome" block....1977 date. When I bought it off the guy he told me that is what it came out of. Can't imagine any reason he would have made that up. It also has the oil dipstick hole plugged and it looks like the factory done it, so I assume it had some other dipstick setup on it which would also lean towards a motorhome. Or even a van chassis? And its held up pretty well considering what I have put it through.
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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12/25/24 09:50 AM
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The 400 block I am running is "supposedly" a "motorhome" block....1977 date. When I bought it off the guy he told me that is what it came out of. Can't imagine any reason he would have made that up. It also has the oil dipstick hole plugged and it looks like the factory done it, so I assume it had some other dipstick setup on it which would also lean towards a motorhome. Or even a van chassis? And its held up pretty well considering what I have put it through. I was told the same thing about the block I used for my 451 and I never questioned where it really came from. After about 15yrs of service and abuse, we named it "King Winnebego Block".
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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12/25/24 12:20 PM
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Do that block have any factory markings like the old HP's/230/430 blocks? Not that I recall no. I will have to compare it to my other 400 block when I get the chance. Car is in the trailer right now. Here is a pic of the dipstick plug.
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Re: 400 Motor home block?
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Yes, they do. I have several big blocks that I have parted out of Vans or motorhomes over the years.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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