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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: topside] #3276807
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I buy oil by the cases, 6 or 8 cases of Valvoline 10W30Wt VR 1 in stock and 12 or more five gallon containers of the new20W50 VR1 in stock as well as plenty of tranny and rear end lubes. up
Some things you can never have too much of like, common sense, money, sex, fun, HP, torque and traction and so on up devil work
At one time that Kendall race oil was the hot set up, bar none better: up: Hence me holding onto it for future use like my next high HP (2700 +HP) heads up no breakout build luck


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3276810
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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Folks must of not got the memo... three top things car guys should not discuss. whistling

1 XXXXXXXX
2 XXXXXXX
3 OIL

With so many formulations over so many years Id not think anyone has all the answers but I do know many things we use have a wide buffer zone for making the wrong choice to still work out without issue.

Id like to see how a 30-40 year old can of stp tests out like.

Most of youtube should have a "For entertainment purposes only" tag attached to them.

Project Farm tests old 1981 STP vs current STP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqiUFklL_XI&t=48s

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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: 2boltmain] #3276827
12/18/24 08:43 AM
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This reminds me of the idiots who think prefilling a new oil filter w/ new unfiltered oil is bad for the engine. rolleyes


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: 2boltmain] #3276832
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WOW! Thanks for posting that link. Ive used some of the old when it was handy and always thought about buying some of the old off ebay but now...hmmm.



Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Folks must of not got the memo... three top things car guys should not discuss. whistling

1 XXXXXXXX
2 XXXXXXX
3 OIL

With so many formulations over so many years Id not think anyone has all the answers but I do know many things we use have a wide buffer zone for making the wrong choice to still work out without issue.

Id like to see how a 30-40 year old can of stp tests out like.

Most of youtube should have a "For entertainment purposes only" tag attached to them.

Project Farm tests old 1981 STP vs current STP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqiUFklL_XI&t=48s


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3276881
12/18/24 11:40 AM
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I dont know about running old oil, never tried. I do know when I put some 20w-50 in with 10w-30 and saw a lot more metal shavings come off on the magnetic plug. Next change went back to all 10w-30 and shavings went back to normal. Same warm ups. Same street driving on mostly the same loop I always run to stay away from traffic.

I know a lot of guys run 20w-50 and it’s all I see on the shelves so I suppose that’s what sells. It’s harder to pump at start up and that’s when wear is worst.


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3277133
12/19/24 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
This reminds me of the idiots who think prefilling a new oil filter w/ new unfiltered oil is bad for the engine. rolleyes

eek


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3277135
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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Folks must of not got the memo... three top things car guys should not discuss. whistling

1 XXXXXXXX
2 XXXXXXX
3 OIL

I get a lot of memos... and e-mail... and texts... and choose to ignore as I see fit


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Brad_Haak] #3277140
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The most important thing is to make sure you have oil.

If you don't have any, as in an "Oh $#!+, there's a hole in the oil pan" situation most of us have faced at one time or another, the age of the stuff on the shelf is totally irrelevant.

(Thankfully I haven't been up against that kind of thing in awhile)


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3277146
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
This reminds me of the idiots who think prefilling a new oil filter w/ new unfiltered oil is bad for the engine. rolleyes


Wait, what?!? People actually say this?! realcrazy


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9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: GY3] #3277169
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They are the same ones who say you can use a prophylactic twice by turning it inside out.


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: jcc] #3277263
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Originally Posted by jcc
They are the same ones who say you can use a prophylactic twice by turning it inside out.




well, ya gotta get yer money's worth somehow ! whistling boogie haha punkrocka bow penguin panic laugh2
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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: moparx] #3277432
12/21/24 11:24 AM
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I'm gonna sacrifice one quart to see for myself; depending upon how it looks will determine if I send a sample for analysis


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: GY3] #3277439
12/21/24 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
This reminds me of the idiots who think prefilling a new oil filter w/ new unfiltered oil is bad for the engine. rolleyes


Wait, what?!? People actually say this?! realcrazy


Yes, unbelievably! There was a big discussion on the internet and somebody did a YouTube test on it. Some people actually believe that if you prefill the oil filter it's bad for the engine upon initial startup. Their rationale is that the oil that you pour into the filter goes into the engine without having gone through the filter media yet. Whereas if you leave it empty, the oil pump will pick up oil from the pan and send it through the filter before it goes into the oil galleries. They seem to disregard the fact that the oil that you poured in there is brand new and does not yet need filtering, and are oblivious to the fact that some of the oil being circulated bypasses the filter at times.
How how this kind of thinking gets started is beyond me. work

Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3277444
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Yep, go in to get a few jugs of oil and when asked if they can help you just say your wanting the oil with the metal shaving additive so one can verify there oil filter is actually working. smoke


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3277465
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel

How this kind of thinking gets started is beyond me. work


My surprise is not so much how it gets started vs how entrenched they are in a concept they can't rationally explain or even question in the least amount.

Sign of the times it seems.


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Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: jcc] #3277468
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Not oil related, but what you just said reminded me of this one I found a few days back.

https://youtube.com/shorts/zLCgTbSx60I?si=k52bVkcARAA-Hw7O

Re: "Old" engine oil myths & truths? [Re: Neil] #3277515
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