Re: challenger hoods
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71 rallye hoods did not have the DODGE letters....I also have a new Goodmark hood on my car and it fit great but I did have to drill the holes for my DODGE letters and 383 magnum call outs. I was lucky and had an original hood to make templates.
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Re: challenger hoods
[Re: 6bblgt]
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05/27/09 06:31 PM
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Since we're going over hoods, I'll post info that I have and hopefully I can get a few questions answered on things that I'm not sure of...
Lets start with the easiest hood first, the one and only TA hood.
N94 TA Hood
(AAR ‘Cudas use the same N94 code for their hood, but the information below only refers to Challenger TA Hoods.)
Came on all Challenger TA cars Also optional after 4-13-70 until the end of 1971 production on 340+4 barrel, 383+4 barrel, 440+4 barrel, 440 Six Pak, & 426 Hemi. (being an RT was not a requirement, but most cars with these engines are RTs)
It was not available with A63 or A46 molding group, M44 hood rear/fender molding, or on SE or A78 formal roof cars due to the hood molding not fitting over the fiberglass. V21 Hood Performance Treatment was also not available on this hood. If the car was ordered with J55 Undercoat/Hood Pad, the hood pad would be deleted.
Cars with this hood option will not come with a hood pop up spring or any hood latch mechanism. As such, J45 hood pins are required with this hood and will use rivets instead of screws to attach the bezel to the hood.
It was always painted organisol, not body color. Along with the hood, you also got the TA hood springs (not the same as AAR), TA windshield squirters (same as AAR), shorter fiberglass hood style radiator to hood seal (same as AAR), longer retainers on front of hood trim (due to fiberglass being thicker than steel), and the appropriate air cleaner to go with your engine/hood combo. If you had one of the optional radios, you were also supposed to get the rear quarter panel mounted antenna (passenger side) like the TA cars had to provide less engine interference with your radio, but so far the few examples I’ve heard of came with the regular fender mounted antenna.
Once a production design of this hood was settled on, I don’t know of any variations of it through the end of its availability.
Tav
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Re: challenger hoods
[Re: cataclysm80]
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05/27/09 09:14 PM
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and the appropriate air cleaner to go with your engine/hood combo.
Could anyone provide (or tell me where to look for) more info on the various air cleaners that go with the TA hood? (mccannix ? 6bblgt ?) I'm thinking they would all have the warm air block off plates at the rear like the TA air cleaner. The 440 Six Pak cars should use the same air cleaner as the TA.
Those air cleaners seem to have been made by Fram.
Hemi with TA hood air cleaner Part number 3577377
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Basically what the hemi TA base consists of is a factory Hemi shaker base that the 7 studs were never put in. Instead the outer 340-6 TA ring was spotwelded 26 times around the edge to the base. The assembly also had the 3 drain nipples installed.
Thanks Tav
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Re: challenger hoods
[Re: 6bblgt]
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05/27/09 10:00 PM
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N96 Shaker Hood
(‘Cudas use the same N96 code, but the information below only refers to Challenger Shaker Hoods.)
The Shaker Hood did not come standard on any Challengers. Optional from the beginning of Challenger production until 10-11-69 on 440 Six Pak & 426 Hemi only. The shaker hood was redesigned due to safety concerns. This second version of the shaker hood became available on 4-10-70 until the end of 1971 production on 340+4 barrel, 383+4 barrel, 440+4 barrel, 440 Six Pak, & 426 Hemi. (Although shaker hoods seem to have been available on base model JH 340+4 barrel & base model JH 383+4 barrel from 4-10-70 through 7-31-70, None are known to exist and it is quite possible that none were ordered/built. As a clarification, there were no RT model JS 340+4 barrel 1970 cars built, and some RT model JS 383+4 barrel 1970 cars DID receive shaker hoods.) A third version of the shaker hood became available at the end of 1971 production as an over the counter crash replacement part.
It was not available with H51 air conditioning or V21 Hood Performance Treatment. If the car was ordered with J55 Undercoat/Hood Pad, the hood pad would be deleted.
J25 variable speed wipers with electric washers are required with the this hood.
Along with the hood, you also got the trim ring with gasket, shaker bubble, shaker doors with short operating cable, engine callouts on the side of the bubble, dash mounted carb air cable, baseplate to hood seal, and appropriate air cleaner with baseplate to go with your engine/hood combo.
First Version had No crumple zones and a raised spot for the fratzog emblem. It did Not have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It also did Not have the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 5/16ths hood bolts.
Second Version had crumple zones and a raised spot for the fratzog emblem. It did have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It did Not have the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 3/8ths hood bolts.
Third Version had crumple zones and No raised spot for the fratzog emblem. Also did Not use the "DODGE" letters. It did have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It also had the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 3/8ths hood bolts.
Tav
Second Version pictured.
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Re: challenger hoods
[Re: cataclysm80]
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05/27/09 11:57 PM
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The shaker hood was then redesigned due to safety concerns.
Do you have a source for this quote?
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Re: challenger hoods
[Re: hemicar1971]
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05/28/09 07:36 AM
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Can you tell me the date that this third version of the Challenger Hood might of been used in production.
Unfortunately I cannot. As far as I know, only Daniel Banker had that information, and he has passed away. He was the true expert on Challenger shaker hoods.
Does anyone know what happened to his library of information on these cars? (photos, broadcast sheet copies, etc.)
Tav
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Re: challenger hoods
[Re: 6bblgt]
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05/28/09 07:49 AM
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The shaker hood was then redesigned due to safety concerns.
Do you have a source for this quote?
No, just common knowledge that all the steel hoods were redesigned with crumple zones and bigger bolts so that the hood would fold up in a crash instead of shearing the bolts and entering the passenger compartment like a guillotine.
I did Not intend to indicate that this redesign was the cause for their lack of availability from October to April. To help remedy this, I'm going to remove the word "then" from my above quoted sentence.
Anyone see anything else that needs corrected?
Tav
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