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64 cable shift trans
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I’m looking to put a 64 trans into the 65, 65 has shift on column, what is changed in trans from push button to column shift on valve body? Will 904 drive shaft be the same as 727 other than length?
Dang, I hit some button and post turned black, how do I get back to white?
Never mind I found the thingy to change back to white
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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I’m looking to put a 64 trans into the 65, 65 has shift on column, what is changed in trans from push button to column shift on valve body? Will 904 drive shaft be the same as 727 other than length?
Dang, I hit some button and post turned black, how do I get back to white?
Never mind I found the thingy to change back to white 64 console shift trans will work in a 65. Difference between the push button 62/63/64 and a 64 console shift/65 trans is the valve body casting machining for true park position, the manual valves, and shift levers/cable plug. Output shaft diameters differ between 904 and 727.
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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The 1964 trans will have a ball and trunnion trans yoke requiring a matching driveshaft with that front type U joint. !965 was the first year in the automatic that Mopar switch to a conventional front U joint, and then switch the stick shift tranny cars to the same type of front U joint and tranny yokes in 1966  You can swap the tranny parts around to use the 1965 parts needed to the 1964 case and output shaft and tail shaft.. You should keep the valve body with the car year as the push button valve body is probably a little different than the push button cable valve body and so on Good luck    
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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A little more info on what I’m doing, 1965 b-body with 273-904 trans. I’m putting in a 413-727. I would like to keep the column shifter for the stock look. I have a 65 727 trans but was wanting to use it in my 64 Savoy because of the slip yoke. I do have an extra 65 main shaft and housing to put in the 64 cable trans but I’m not against using the 64 trans with the trunion joint if the stock 65 shaft will work (I can shorten it on my lathe). If nothing works easy i have a 66 column I can use with the 66 and up trans (which I have a bunch), like I said the whole idea centers around keeping the stock 65 column. From looking at both the 64-65 trans, they have same two cables, one for gears and one for parking pall. Even the 65 column has the same two cables, what am I missing?
Appreciate all replies so far.
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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A little more info on what I’m doing, 1965 b-body with 273-904 trans. I’m putting in a 413-727. I would like to keep the column shifter for the stock look. I have a 65 727 trans but was wanting to use it in my 64 Savoy because of the slip yoke. I do have an extra 65 main shaft and housing to put in the 64 cable trans but I’m not against using the 64 trans with the trunion joint if the stock 65 shaft will work (I can shorten it on my lathe). If nothing works easy i have a 66 column I can use with the 66 and up trans (which I have a bunch), like I said the whole idea centers around keeping the stock 65 column. From looking at both the 64-65 trans, they have same two cables, one for gears and one for parking pall. Even the 65 column has the same two cables, what am I missing?
Appreciate all replies so far. To maintain the 65 column shift you have to use a console shift valve body from a 64/65 OR a 65 valve body. Period. 62-65 ALL have two cables - regardless if console or column shift.
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A little more info on what I’m doing, 1965 b-body with 273-904 trans. I’m putting in a 413-727. I would like to keep the column shifter for the stock look. I have a 65 727 trans but was wanting to use it in my 64 Savoy because of the slip yoke. I do have an extra 65 main shaft and housing to put in the 64 cable trans but I’m not against using the 64 trans with the trunion joint if the stock 65 shaft will work (I can shorten it on my lathe). If nothing works easy i have a 66 column I can use with the 66 and up trans (which I have a bunch), like I said the whole idea centers around keeping the stock 65 column. From looking at both the 64-65 trans, they have same two cables, one for gears and one for parking pall. Even the 65 column has the same two cables, what am I missing?
Appreciate all replies so far. To maintain the 65 column shift you have to use a console shift valve body from a 64/65 OR a 65 valve body. Period. 62-65 ALL have two cables - regardless if console or column shift. Ok, got two of each year. What is the difference in the two years? Something to do with the rear pump? Will the 65 VB work in the 64 trans? Thanks
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Mopar decided to have two different male ends on their shift cables from 1962 up to 1964, one for the pushbuttons and the other for the console shifters that came out in 1964 is what I believe. I'm not sure about the 1965 trannies and shifter cable ends  . I have seen several different variants of the rooster combs and manual valves in those early trannies, they need to match each other to make the shifts correctly and not overlap 
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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A little more info on what I’m doing, 1965 b-body with 273-904 trans. I’m putting in a 413-727. I would like to keep the column shifter for the stock look. I have a 65 727 trans but was wanting to use it in my 64 Savoy because of the slip yoke. I do have an extra 65 main shaft and housing to put in the 64 cable trans but I’m not against using the 64 trans with the trunion joint if the stock 65 shaft will work (I can shorten it on my lathe). If nothing works easy i have a 66 column I can use with the 66 and up trans (which I have a bunch), like I said the whole idea centers around keeping the stock 65 column. From looking at both the 64-65 trans, they have same two cables, one for gears and one for parking pall. Even the 65 column has the same two cables, what am I missing?
Appreciate all replies so far. To maintain the 65 column shift you have to use a console shift valve body from a 64/65 OR a 65 valve body. Period. 62-65 ALL have two cables - regardless if console or column shift. Ok, got two of each year. What is the difference in the two years? Something to do with the rear pump? Will the 65 VB work in the 64 trans? Thanks Valve bodies are completely interchangeable between years. 62-65 have rear pumps. 62-64 have ball & trunnions prop shafts while 65 have a slip yolk.
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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12/13/24 01:13 PM
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Ok, got two of each year. What is the difference in the two years?
As mentioned, the '64 console and all '65 manual valve needs to travel one more notch for Park. The cable ends are different as are the adapter they plug into, the roostercomb and the manual valve itself is different. The VB casting has a hole at the end of the manual valve bore to allow the extra travel.
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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12/13/24 01:32 PM
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Ok, got two of each year. What is the difference in the two years?
As mentioned, the '64 console and all '65 manual valve needs to travel one more notch for Park. The cable ends are different as are the adapter they plug into, the roostercomb and the manual valve itself is different. The VB casting has a hole at the end of the manual valve bore to allow the extra travel. Sounds good John, we have crazy banter on the other posts but I still respect you. I’ll probably use the 65 trans then down the road switch out the slip yoke main shaft in the 64 trans, seems simpler now I’ve thought about it. I don’t have that ‘pin’ that hooks inside to VB so I’m hoping the 904 trans is the same. All the cables are still there on the 64 trans so no problem with it. btw great pictures, explains a lot!
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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12/13/24 02:40 PM
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Ok, got two of each year. What is the difference in the two years?
As mentioned, the '64 console and all '65 manual valve needs to travel one more notch for Park. The cable ends are different as are the adapter they plug into, the roostercomb and the manual valve itself is different. The VB casting has a hole at the end of the manual valve bore to allow the extra travel. HMM, seems your signature quote "The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway" applies again  No offense meant to others 🍻. I've been following this thinking the rooster comb and manual valve were different between the two but my "RAM" is getting a bit overloaded 🙄. Didn't know remember about the valve body change or the difference in cable ends. Unfortunately Intel stopped making Upgraded RAM devices for my model of intellect 😳 back in the 80's and used devices are hard to come by and sketchy🙄🤣🤣
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It’s almost idiot proof until you mix up the manual valves and the rooster combs. During my days in engineering we would spend MONTHS trying to make something IDIOT PROOF. Usually the 1st person would do something we hadn't expected. 🎯🙄😳🤣🍻
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It’s almost idiot proof until you mix up the manual valves and the rooster combs. During my days in engineering we would spend MONTHS trying to make something IDIOT PROOF. Usually the 1st person would do something we hadn't expected. 🎯🙄😳🤣🍻 because engineers don't think like regular people. I had a job where we made software for doctors. I told them you can't build it like this, they will screw it up. I got told, that they must be smart because they are doctors and let it go. of course the doctors broke it.
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Re: 64 cable shift trans
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It’s almost idiot proof until you mix up the manual valves and the rooster combs. During my days in engineering we would spend MONTHS trying to make something IDIOT PROOF. Usually the 1st person would do something we hadn't expected. 🎯🙄😳🤣🍻 One of my mentors had a saying..." some people can break a rubber ball".
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It’s almost idiot proof until you mix up the manual valves and the rooster combs. During my days in engineering we would spend MONTHS trying to make something IDIOT PROOF. Usually the 1st person would do something we hadn't expected. 🎯🙄😳🤣🍻 One of my mentors had a saying..." some people can break a rubber ball". 
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It’s almost idiot proof until you mix up the manual valves and the rooster combs. During my days in engineering we would spend MONTHS trying to make something IDIOT PROOF. Usually the 1st person would do something we hadn't expected. 🎯🙄😳🤣🍻 because engineers don't think like regular people. I had a job where we made software for doctors. I told them you can't build it like this, they will screw it up. I got told, that they must be smart because they are doctors and let it go. of course the doctors broke it. HMMM 🤔 🤣
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It’s almost idiot proof until you mix up the manual valves and the rooster combs. During my days in engineering we would spend MONTHS trying to make something IDIOT PROOF. Usually the 1st person would do something we hadn't expected. 🎯🙄😳🤣🍻 because engineers don't think like regular people. I had a job where we made software for doctors. I told them you can't build it like this, they will screw it up. I got told, that they must be smart because they are doctors and let it go. of course the doctors broke it. Engineering and Quality use - in most organizations - DVP and R. In order to ferret out design flaws. Manufacturing has it’s own controls. They are all supposed to keep design and process defects from getting out. But the service community is not well understood by the guys within most organizations. Then you have people that can ruin an anvil in a sandbox with a rubber mallet.
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