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Re: Pushing a stock block.... [Re: moparx] #3274775
12/08/24 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by moparx
any thoughts on using a 400 block instead of a 440 ?
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The 400 block is considerably stronger vs a 440 block in the main web. I am a 400 block fan. IF, and that is a big IF, you can find a good one. Check for core shift and sonic check is a must. I had 4 blocks and only one I used for this build.

At 2860 lbs I have ran 5.44 in the 1/8. I have not scaled my car in years but I might be close to 2900 now. What is that, 8.60's in the 1/4? That is up in the 800's pretty good. Block filled. Steel caps and no girdle. I did have to sleeve #8 due to a crack 3 years ago but this block has been run every summer hundreds of passes since 2019....


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68 Dart 502 BB 5.44-126
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Re: Pushing a stock block.... [Re: Bad340fish] #3274780
12/08/24 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
What is harder on them the RPM and horsepower or low end torque?

I know the junkyard LS guys don't like to work them down low. 800hp+ with a loose enough converter and running them to 8000RPM. I guess when you are leaning on them really hard if you drop them below 6500RPM they can bend the factory rods.


In general, cylinder pressure drops with rpm so the same boost at 6500 is harder on the bottom end than at 8500 rpm. From what I’ve seen of the LS guys the boost targets are pretty flat, so if it drops a couple thousand rpm on a shift you get increased cylinder pressure and the stress of the rod being slowed down too. For oem stuff we have to be very aware of timing and boost at the various engine speeds to keep the engine safe, and it isn’t realistic to map a drag engine like that- they can’t be held at full load that long.

I thought force/stress on the block itself is primarily a function of weight and rpm though.

I went aftermarket block with mine just because I don’t like to gamble and I hate worrying, lol


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Re: Pushing a stock block.... [Re: Blusmbl] #3277479
12/21/24 04:25 PM
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Well bearings are here, boosted cam is ordered, and its like 15* in my garage, so gonna hide in the house for a day or two, but it looks like we are going to find out if a 400 will be ok making really good HP with a little boost.

Anyone know the weights of the various blocks? I had heard the after market Callies Hemi blocks I have are over 300lbs...What is a 400 block weight?

Last edited by Dragula; 12/21/24 04:27 PM.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Pushing a stock block.... [Re: Dragula] #3277487
12/21/24 04:42 PM
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A Callies block is around 295 lbs and a 400 is bit over 215 lbs


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Re: Pushing a stock block.... [Re: rickseeman] #3277524
12/21/24 08:32 PM
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