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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: Twostick]
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11/20/24 05:13 PM
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 A set of Ti rods from Crower used to be in the $5K range. Sounds too good to be true. Do they mean Ti coated or per rod?
Last edited by jcc; 11/21/24 08:27 AM.
I'm with Helmuth Hübener, and no soup is being served today.
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: Dragula]
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11/20/24 08:46 PM
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Twostick
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My understanding with Titanium rods, is any nick or gouge in them can propagate into a complete failure of the rod. So they have to be handled nicely when assembling. Other than cost, how the heck do you get a rotating assembly to balance out when they are based on normal weights? I would go with good aluminum and just cycle them out when needed. I haven't figured out what percentage of the bob weight is the connecting rod but reducing it by 45% has got to translate to some really snappy throttle response. Kevin
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: Twostick]
#3271566
11/20/24 09:03 PM
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Southington Ct.
turbobitt
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I just saw where 440 Source is considering offering Titanium rods as an option.
The upcharge would be 749.95 over their regular offering.
Any downside to Ti rods?
Kevin I had a set in my Turbo Buick street car for about 24 years and some 8 second quarter mile times and never had an issue. And they were used when I got them. When I originally got them, I set them to Crower for refurb. Was making over 900 hp to the tire on a 6 cyl. AG.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: turbobitt]
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11/20/24 10:23 PM
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montana
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My buddy has them in his R-M 665 in a high 6 second dragster. No issues, other than initial cost. I would think that would work itself out, since the 80 to 90 round aluminum rod cycling adds up pretty fast when you figure everything up...Jim.
64 Dodge Coronet 440. In progress
1998. Dodge Avenger. 8.35@165. 4400 DA
1980 Plymouth Arrow 572 Hemi.
242" Mullis Dragster. 6.90@ 200mph
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: turbobitt]
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11/20/24 10:26 PM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
Dragula
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That would be wicked in a FAST car.......At the price they are offering, that would be a steel, literally and super worth the extra coin...And no need to clearance the block like with aluminum ones. I know the vettes run them..
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: Dragula]
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11/20/24 10:31 PM
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Motor City
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We used to run Ti rods in NASCAR Cup, Busch, truck and Trans Am qualifier engines before there was rotating assembly weight limits and material specs and we also used them in our Viper V10 programs. Ours were like $1000 per rod. No way Source is selling Ti rods that cheap.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: 440SOURCE
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11/21/24 08:21 AM
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 Good friend has a set of Crower titanium rods in his BB Mopar. Nice stuff, just have to be careful not to scratch them. Around $8k for a set.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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11/21/24 11:05 AM
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For $750 must be a buy one Ti rod get 7 for free sale...  I think I will let everyone else do the testing on these first.
67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119
68 Dart 502 BB 5.44-126
414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: mopar873]
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11/21/24 12:08 PM
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Loudoun County, VA
Brad_Haak
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I agree, this must be a new special form of Chinesium... For that price, it's not likely they're getting the good stuff... 
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: Dragula]
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11/21/24 04:17 PM
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My understanding with Titanium rods, is any nick or gouge in them can propagate into a complete failure of the rod. So they have to be handled nicely when assembling. Other than cost, how the heck do you get a rotating assembly to balance out when they are based on normal weights? I would go with good aluminum and just cycle them out when needed. Also no cadmium plated fasteners. They'll propagate cracks radially from the holes!
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Re: 440SOURCE
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11/22/24 07:32 AM
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Stanton
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Also no cadmium plated fasteners. They'll propagate cracks radially from the holes!
When have you ever seen a cad plated rod bolt or nut ?!?!?
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: Stanton]
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11/22/24 12:22 PM
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Also no cadmium plated fasteners. They'll propagate cracks radially from the holes!
When have you ever seen a cad plated rod bolt or nut ?!?!? Never. I was just remarking about how fussy titanium can be. The cad bolt problem was a thing in aviation years back when a huge batch of counterfeit bolts had to be purged from the supply chain.
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Re: 440SOURCE
[Re: fbs63]
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11/24/24 11:47 AM
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Never heard that before. I would have thought the rod-to-rod interface would be immune to any galling issues because of the inherent oil supply and the contact has so little force involved?
I'm with Helmuth Hübener, and no soup is being served today.
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