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Die Hard 2, this always baffled me #3272024
11/23/24 03:28 PM
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When Holly’s (McClain’s wife) plane lands on the fire trail, isn’t it going the “wrong way?”

It passes over the General’s exploded cargo plane, THEN into the lengthy fire trail.

In other words, the General’s plane attempted take off right to left.

Holly’s plane (and those lined up behind it), land left to right.

I thought landings and takeoff’s were normally the same direction based on ambient air lift direction.

Am I wrong? confused

Re: Die Hard 2, this always baffled me [Re: Cometstorm] #3272027
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No, and good catch.


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Re: Die Hard 2, this always baffled me [Re: Cometstorm] #3272034
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Originally Posted by Cometstorm

Am I wrong? confused
Yes, the landing direction is usually dictated by the wind and its velocity. I have landed on several runways that are on such an angle that you have to land uphill and take off downhill
When the winds are calm and there isn't a control tower operating you can use which ever runway you want to use up work
Some airports have what is known as a calm wind runway and you should use it when the winds are calm or the local airport automated radio instructions (ATIS) say to use it up


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Re: Die Hard 2, this always baffled me [Re: Cab_Burge] #3272041
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Yeah - that kind of thing in movies & TV is called "continuity".
Could be that wind direction changed, or someone (typically producer or director) wanted a concise shot, or they just screwed up.
Back in the day, my buddies in "The Industry" were forever pointing out that stuff - and "boom shots", shadows, contrails, tire marks, etc etc when we'd have a movie party.
Been going on forever - I remember seeing a late-1940s truck in Hogan's Heroes episodes as a kid...

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I just thought the whole landing issue was strange.

If you research “Die Hard 2” bloopers and goofs on the internet, there are TONS!

Strangely, I never saw this landing thing pointed out.

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Originally Posted by topside
Yeah - that kind of thing in movies & TV is called "continuity".
Could be that wind direction changed, or someone (typically producer or director) wanted a concise shot, or they just screwed up.
Back in the day, my buddies in "The Industry" were forever pointing out that stuff - and "boom shots", shadows, contrails, tire marks, etc etc when we'd have a movie party.
Been going on forever - I remember seeing a late-1940s truck in Hogan's Heroes episodes as a kid...


Most trucks seen in background on camera shots of modern movies are already on set grip trucks, that are configurated vastly different from any OTR or commercial delivery trucks.
Biggest giveaway, they all have numerous large underbelly side locker boxes.


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Originally Posted by Cometstorm
I just thought the whole landing issue was strange

You mean like the jet fuel/kerosene would never have a fast enough flame speed to actually catch a lifting off 747 in below freezing weather spilled on snow and completely ignoring the spreading flame fighting simultaneously the exhaust blast of the multiple jet engines?
Strange indeed.


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Re: Die Hard 2, this always baffled me [Re: jcc] #3272075
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Rest assured: Someone in Production ordered up a pyrotechnics guy to make what the producer and/or director thought would be a spectacle.
Accuracy, physics, and logic would likely be secondary or tertiary to that, if considered at all.
In some cases, budgets & timelines are tight - but it's still Hollywood...

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iagree

For the detail minded, gasoline at 12x atmospheric pressure burns at around 50mph, pure hydrogen around 140mph, temp slows down the burn greatly, increased pressure speeds up the burn, temp was low and no increase in pressure present here.
Figuring the Yippee Kay Yay hero jumped off the plane at 30mph, he waited a number of seconds before lighting the fuel giving the plane a running start, and plane was doing approx. 180mph when empty taking off, in order to have the flame catch the plane feet above the runway, the flame sped would need to be 250mph or above as a guess

Detonator Cord operates at 15,000mph for reference.


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Originally Posted by carnut68
Get a grip! It's not real. Geez.


And you feel you need to state the obvious for the rest of us?

Interesting. work


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Re: Die Hard 2, this always baffled me [Re: jcc] #3272122
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Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by carnut68
Get a grip! It's not real. Geez.


And you feel you need to state the obvious for the rest of us?

Interesting. work


And you gave us your opinion on how fast fuels burn which few of us care about anyway. But you read it in a book so it has to be right... rolleyes


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