383 build ???
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any cheap [is there such a thing ? ] 383 build ideas that would put my heavy charger in the mid to low 12's ? it now runs 13.99-14.10 @ 98mph in the 1/4. current specs : stock 906 heads, racer brown ssh25 cam [in straight up], DP4B dual plane intake with 850 T-quad, reworked factory distributor set at 16 degrees initial and 38 degrees total advance, 1 3/4" hookers into a full length 3" exhaust, 727 with 2600 stall B&M converter and TF-2 shift kit, 3.91 sure grip rear, and 29" rear tires on 8" steel wheels. i would prefer to keep the T-quad that is on there now. any suggestions ? is it even possible ? rough cam idle is not a problem. TIA for those that are way smarter than me !
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Re: 383 build ???
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11/09/24 11:53 AM
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I read about a really good 383 build the other day but I can't remember where. I think Muscle Motors did it. (RIP) I think a stroker kit and Trick Flow heads/cam is the answer. You can get nearly 600 hp. It will be up to you to get it to hook up and leave.
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Re: 383 build ???
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The Trick Flows have larger valves so I think they want minimum bore of 4.32" but if you go .060" over you will be 4.31", probably fine but there are small things you could do to make it work if that's what you wanted.
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Re: 383 build ???
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11/09/24 06:44 PM
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The Wallace Calculators are a handy tool to provide some guidance on what you need-I plugged in 12.00 for 4,000 lbs and it calculated a little over 400 HP at the wheels which would would put you 500 at the crank. Those numbers are on the high side so to target 450 is reasonable to get what you want and very reasonable to make with a 383. There is no real need for a stroker, just cam, headers, intake and carb. I have followed Dwayne’s recipe in the link below and it is a fairly straightforward build. Like others have said the need for a gear and converter is necessary to get you to where you want. http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/bb/25.html
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Re: 383 build ???
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11/10/24 10:29 AM
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If it’s primarily a street car, and you’d like it to remain street friendly, your best bet is to get the engine in the 500” range.
If that’s way too big of a chunk of $$$ to spend, if the current heads are not ported, I’d look into upgrading that situation, swap to a SFT cam, more stall(like 3800+), rpm intake, and more gear. It still won’t likely run low 12’s, but at that point “iiwii”.
The in between step is apply the 383 upgrade formula to a 440, but keep the 3.91’s.
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Re: 383 build ???
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11/10/24 01:11 PM
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i have considered all of the above, and staying with the 3.91 gear and 29" tires, plus staying with my worked 850 T-quad, my thoughts are these. a good set of aluminum heads instead of reworking the 906's. this will/can increase compression using the factory bottom end, plus will be cheaper in the long run, cost wise. going to a good 3800-4000 stall converter. changing to a larger SFT cam. this should get me to low 13's - high 12's. [?] provided when the engine is pulled the bottom end is [somewhat] ok in respect to the crank and rod bearing wear, and the crank journals look good. if this doesn't pan out, i have both a good 400 [actually i have two] and a 440 on the shelf that i would use to build a stroker, using a 440 source kit. i don't believe stroking the 383 would be cost or result effective, compared to stroking the other two blocks.
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Re: 383 build ???
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11/10/24 09:23 PM
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I'm getting ready to assemble a 383 that I was building for my H code 1969 Dart GTS 4 speed car, I used a stock forge steel 440 stick crankshaft, and had it offset ground to BB Chevy journal size with a 3.90 stroke and bought some Speed Master (Chineze, Australian?) brand H beam forged 5140 steel H beam rods that are 6.700 long along with some KB (Icon) shelf forge piston and 906 heads with bigger valves and bowl work to help increase the air flow. I'm planning on dyno testing it with the stock intake and AVS carb to see if it will make 1.0 or higher HP per C.I. Not sure on the cam yet, not real big though : luck:
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Re: 383 build ???
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What muffler are you running ?
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: 383 build ???
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What muffler are you running ? the original [when they first cam out, many many years ago] two chamber "blomasters" are on it now. they will be changed out for something else in the future, but i am unsure what they will be.
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