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Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3257305
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It’s been a few years back, but I recall one house I got a quote on for insurance had a 100 amp panel and I believe I was told it needed to be a 125 or 150 or higher or the carrier wouldn’t touch it. I skipped that one so the details are fuzzy, but I’m pretty certain those were the numbers involved.


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Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3257311
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What many do not know is that the power coming to you house can vary quite a bit throughout the day. I have a monitor right now on my system and the weekly report I get shows some wild swings take place. If you have marginal stuff and hit one of the big sags, you’ll know it.

I have all my stuff on a UPS, and power my computer/monitor on another UPS that is fed by the first UPS. realcrazy

We get a look of afternoon thunderstorms, lighting hits, fallen tree branch glitches, etc, and not even a flicker.


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Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: jcc] #3257364
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JCC,

You have an whole house UPS? If you do I am envious.

I guess what you have is working for you but in my I.T. and Data Center Management days running a UPS behind another UPS was a no no. I have no idea why, probably something to do with harmonics, floating neutrals or other electrical anomalies I never had the education to understand.

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Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: jcc] #3257633
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Originally Posted by cudaboy
Since an electrician will be there already, I’d have an automatic transfer switch installed.

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A manual transfer is way cheaper, far more reliable, and can't help to burn the house down when its unoccupied and it supplies power to a damaged house (like maybe a fallen tree?) an automatic transfer switch is ignorant of.


Also need to consider how often it will be used. If you lose power every other week, an automatic one might be worth it.

I have a manual interlock between the main and generator breaker, and so far have only used it to test the generator laugh2 Completely not worth the expense of an automatic transfer switch.


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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
JCC,

You have an whole house UPS? If you do I am envious.

I guess what you have is working for you but in my I.T. and Data Center Management days running a UPS behind another UPS was a no no. I have no idea why, probably something to do with harmonics, floating neutrals or other electrical anomalies I never had the education to understand.

Bill


Just My computer stuff. understand my UPS's are only in circuit upon power interruption.
I could understand maybe an issue with full time UPS. or basically running off a battery full time that is being continuously charged until your main grid power drops out.
For my application, that is not for me efficient bang for buck but it is a superior system and costly.


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Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: vinnyd76] #3257675
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Most insurance companies won't write you policy if you have a Challenger panel. Alot of homeowners are finding they need to change out their Challenger panels for the approved one. FPV is another that is being phased out. Siemens are still approved. This is in Florida. Before you have any installations done get with a home inspector to see what brands are approved in your area.

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Originally Posted by jcc
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JCC,

You have an whole house UPS? If you do I am envious.

I guess what you have is working for you but in my I.T. and Data Center Management days running a UPS behind another UPS was a no no. I have no idea why, probably something to do with harmonics, floating neutrals or other electrical anomalies I never had the education to understand.

Bill


Just My computer stuff. understand my UPS's are only in circuit upon power interruption.
I could understand maybe an issue with full time UPS. or basically running off a battery full time that is being continuously charged until your main grid power drops out.
For my application, that is not for me efficient bang for buck but it is a superior system and costly.


That is probably the cheapest "UPS" you can get.

Double conversion UPS' protect from a lot more than outages. They protect you from surges, sags, frequency issues, noise on the line and harmonic distortion. Your UPS covers outage only. Is it adequate? Maybe, depends on how crappy your utility is and what your load is.

I work on commercial and industrial UPS for a living. Do I have one? Nope. My laptop has one built in, it's called a battery. It is sufficient for me to save whatever I am doing in the advent of a power loss. The other issues would primmarily affect the power supply, which is separate from the laptop and a spare power supply is way cheaper than a UPS disregarding the battery replacement requirements of one. The rest of the house? It's fine, I have a whole house surge suppressor. The rest is irrelevant for me.

Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: vinnyd76] #3257772
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What amp feed is your electric company serving your home with now? scope
You may need them to upgrade your power service to get 200 amps fed to your panel scope luck

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Re: Recommedations on upgrading home electrical service panel [Re: vinnyd76] #3257789
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Originally Posted by vinnyd76
Looking to expand/upgrade the service panel in my home. Currently installed is a 150-amp panel by Challenger. I'm told that Challenger components are prone to problems.

Looking for input on things to consider when upgrading and purchasing a new panel. I will definitely hire a licensed electrical contractor to complete installation. The current panel is pretty much maxed out.

I would like to have a minimum 20 amp circuit dedicated to the garage. I'm also considering running 220 out to the garage.

Anyone have any experience/feedback with Leviton panels? I believe the brand is fairly new within the industry.


For Macomb MI looks like DTE is you electrical utility.

This would be your starting point for a panel change:

https://www.dteenergy.com/us/en/quicklinks/builders/builders-electric/electric-service.html


This is a handy form for your project. It doesn't look like you will need a site map, Load Sheet, Riser Diagram, Proof of Ownership if you are just 200A or below.

https://www.dteenergy.com/content/d...hecklist-guides/PowerConnectionsForm.pdf

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