Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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I know that this engine is not built with the best selection of parts for a moderate street hemi engine but I got a killer deal on the complete engine. I'm not interested in a mild street engine and this engine will only be used for shorts blasts around the country roads where i live. The engine is going into my 1970 Cuda.
1970 Plymouth Cuda, 512cid on 230 400 block, 5 speed manual.(TKO 600) 1970 Dodge Charger 500, 446cid, 5speed manual.(TKO 600) 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383cid, 5speed manual (Tremec TKX)
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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11:1 on a Hemi will be just fine but if your looking to reduce compression with a thicker head gasket it may not be worth the money/hassle of getting longer custom pushrods. I have used Racetec in the past and they will most likely be able to make you a custom piston very reasonably and are very easy to deal with. I currently have a 572 with 11:1 and the CNC ported 426-1 with there 268/264 cam and runs fine on the street.
My additional advise, I would buy a quality roller lifter depending on how the lifter bore is configured and also be aware of the oil drain back sealing in the corners of the head gasket/heads, Sometimes can leak with MLS gaskets if the deck and heads are not prepped correctly.
AG
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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So you guys see no problem in terms of piston to chamber squish when increasing head gasket thickness? Is a Hemi chamber less sensitive to that compared with a wedge head?
1970 Plymouth Cuda, 512cid on 230 400 block, 5 speed manual.(TKO 600) 1970 Dodge Charger 500, 446cid, 5speed manual.(TKO 600) 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383cid, 5speed manual (Tremec TKX)
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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11:1 on a Hemi will be just fine but if your looking to reduce compression with a thicker head gasket it may not be worth the money/hassle of getting longer custom pushrods. I have used Racetec in the past and they will most likely be able to make you a custom piston very reasonably and are very easy to deal with. I currently have a 572 with 11:1 and the CNC ported 426-1 with there 268/264 cam and runs fine on the street.
My additional advise, I would buy a quality roller lifter depending on how the lifter bore is configured and also be aware of the oil drain back sealing in the corners of the head gasket/heads, Sometimes can leak with MLS gaskets if the deck and heads are not prepped correctly.
AG Thanks for sharing you thoughts on this. Could you please share you cam card? Would be interesting to see where your cam is closing the intake valve ABDC.
1970 Plymouth Cuda, 512cid on 230 400 block, 5 speed manual.(TKO 600) 1970 Dodge Charger 500, 446cid, 5speed manual.(TKO 600) 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383cid, 5speed manual (Tremec TKX)
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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11:1 on a Hemi will be just fine but if your looking to reduce compression with a thicker head gasket it may not be worth the money/hassle of getting longer custom pushrods. I have used Racetec in the past and they will most likely be able to make you a custom piston very reasonably and are very easy to deal with. I currently have a 572 with 11:1 and the CNC ported 426-1 with there 268/264 cam and runs fine on the street.
My additional advise, I would buy a quality roller lifter depending on how the lifter bore is configured and also be aware of the oil drain back sealing in the corners of the head gasket/heads, Sometimes can leak with MLS gaskets if the deck and heads are not prepped correctly.
AG Thanks for sharing you thoughts on this. Could you please share you cam card? Would be interesting to see where your cam is closing the intake valve ABDC.
Last edited by turbobitt; 08/26/24 05:03 AM.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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I may have missed it but have you measured/confirmed compression ratio?
If not I would start there. May need no changes.
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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I may have missed it but have you measured/confirmed compression ratio?
If not I would start there. May need no changes. With the current set up the static compression is 13.3:1, With the intake valve closing at 88 degrees ABDC the dynamic compression is at 6.64:1. This cam is at 288/288 @.050" so it will be to much for something that will be driven on the streets. What I'm really searching for is knowledge and opinions on the route of lowering compression with a head gasket change from .045" to.092" thickness. Will this mess up the quench // squish? I know it would on a wedge head, but how does this effect a hemi chamber?With the new cam that's on 263/269 @.050" 108 LSA and the intake valve closing at 58 degrees ABDC and the .092" head gasket the static compression will be right at 11.69:1 and the dynamic compression will be at 8.55:1 Opinions on this would be much appreciated.
1970 Plymouth Cuda, 512cid on 230 400 block, 5 speed manual.(TKO 600) 1970 Dodge Charger 500, 446cid, 5speed manual.(TKO 600) 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383cid, 5speed manual (Tremec TKX)
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Re: 505 INDY MAX HEMI
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With the current set up the static compression is 13.3:1, With the intake valve closing at 88 degrees ABDC the dynamic compression is at 6.64:1. This cam is at 288/288 @.050" so it will be to much for something that will be driven on the streets. What I'm really searching for is knowledge and opinions on the route of lowering compression with a head gasket change from .045" to.092" thickness. Will this mess up the quench // squish? I know it would on a wedge head, but how does this effect a hemi chamber?With the new cam that's on 263/269 @.050" 108 LSA and the intake valve closing at 58 degrees ABDC and the .092" head gasket the static compression will be right at 11.69:1 and the dynamic compression will be at 8.55:1 Opinions on this would be much appreciated.
1970 Plymouth Cuda, 512cid on 230 400 block, 5 speed manual.(TKO 600) 1970 Dodge Charger 500, 446cid, 5speed manual.(TKO 600) 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner, 383cid, 5speed manual (Tremec TKX)
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