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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: stumpy] #323912
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"jack of all traits". The term is Jack of all trades.




Actually if you google it both come up, both ways seem common.

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No we just got tired of you not listening to those of us that keep up with our own vehicles.




You wern't listing to those of us who live the reality of engineering everyday either, so what's your point?

How convienent that you where one that ran off:
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=9&vc=1

You mechanics think your all knowning just because you work on cars all day. The reality of engineering is we do a lot more than just design something, we have to do a little marketing, sales, accounting, supply change, logistics, and other things. When it's all said and done we have to understand the whole package not just the design. That's why many of us become masters of a certian thing, we have to.


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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: DUFFMAN] #323913
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Go back and reread your google sites and you will find most say that traits is wrong.
You may do all of that but it has absolutely nothing to do with actual hands on. Just because it works on paper doesn't mean it works in the real world. Like I said you didn't run us off we just got tired you saying the same nothing over and over again just to defend a poor engineering choice.
BTW if engineers are so good how come there are so many recalls for poorly desinged parts a systems?

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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: stumpy] #323914
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If mechanics are so good then how come there is so much re-work?

Do you have any idea what goes into designing a car? Do you have any idea how many things can go wrong, how they are abused or used improperly? I think engineers do a pretty good job considering the infinite variables they have to deal with.

Fine it's "Jack of all trades", I was wrong. Big deal. Yes I can admit I'm wrong sometimes, but who isn't? I take it you've never made a mistake in your life?


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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: stumpy] #323915
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You may do all of that but it has absolutely nothing to do with actual hands on.




I forgot to add that I have to be a mechanica and a fabricator too. Hardly a day goes by that I don't have a wrench in my hand either at home or at work. This statement shows you have no clue what engineers actual do. How do you think prototypes and/or concepts get built?


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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: DUFFMAN] #323916
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Again more blah blah blah. My grand father and father were engineers. Gramps was the guy that designed the lighting system for the original Tiger stadium in Detroit and my father was a design engineer for Chrylser in the late 50s so I do know something about engineers. Including the fact they can make mistakes and not all their designs are good.
It's been fun reading your blathering but I'm done and have better things to do. I have a spare trans to build and a stroker motor to put together. Good luck with your light problem.

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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: DUFFMAN] #323918
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So it is the inst fuse that is blowing ,so the problem is inside the car. I would start looking under dash at any lighting type wiring for cigar, dash lights etc. Maybe it's just a dangling extra wire that found its way to ground? Will it blow the fuse even if the dimmer is turned down all the way?

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Last night I went to work with the multi-meter and heres what I found;

-With the headlight switch unplugged there is still continuity to ground, thus the switch is not the problem.

-With the instrument cluster disonnected there is NO continuity to ground. This rules out the wiring from the fuse and points toward the instrument cluster itself.

-Interestingly with all the bulbs removed from the instrument cluster the fuse still blows.

I guess the next step is to remove the instrument cluster itself and visually inspect it.


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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: DUFFMAN] #323920
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Last night I went to work with the multi-meter and heres what I found;

-With the headlight switch unplugged there is still continuity to ground, thus the switch is not the problem.

-With the instrument cluster disonnected there is NO continuity to ground. This rules out the wiring from the fuse and points toward the instrument cluster itself.

-Interestingly with all the bulbs removed from the instrument cluster the fuse still blows.

I guess the next step is to remove the instrument cluster itself and visually inspect it.




Voltage regulator???? Current runs thru the dash via the guage. Maybe you are getting too much juice?

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I thought about the voltage regulator, but all my gauges are still working. If the voltage regulator was bad wouldn't they be dead?


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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: DUFFMAN] #323922
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I don't know, they could be fine, just your panel is getting too much juice somehow. Easy enough check. Vot regs are like $13.


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I checked 2 local parts stores, one wanted $38 for it the other $60.

That's why I decided to diagnose it first rather just start replacing parts.


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I checked 2 local parts stores, one wanted $38 for it the other $60.

That's why I decided to diagnose it first rather just start replacing parts.




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Offer Price: $15.29"


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R296Z Is a charging system voltage regulator, not the instrument cluster voltage regulator (limiter).


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Re: Help! No Dash Lights [Re: DUFFMAN] #323926
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R296Z Is a charging system voltage regulator, not the instrument cluster voltage regulator (limiter).




yeah that's the one I'm talking about...unless they blow as soon as you turn the key???? otherwise you have a short someplace. Did you hit the cluster reg w/ the tester?


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yeah that's the one I'm talking about...unless they blow as soon as you turn the key????




The fuse blows with the key off and the headlight switch on.

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otherwise you have a short someplace. Did you hit the cluster reg w/ the tester?




Not yet. Next I want to check continuity to ground with it removed.


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aren't electrical problems fun? I have a headlight switch in route, no dash lights yet. I hope that's it.


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aren't electrical problems fun?




No Doubt.

A friend of mine had a 1986 Daytona with dead dasdh lights. He brought it to the local Dodge dealer (this was inthe mid 90s), 2 days and $500 later they still hadn't found the problem. After that he just lived with it until he sold the car.


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